[Vision2020] No book deal

Tue Jul 16 12:41:19 PDT 2013

Thank you for this exchange, Scott.  I hope I didn't come across as
patronizing or preachy - it's just that in my own life (and I suspect most
white folks) I didn't understand the big deal about race related issues
(aside from the Klan, Birmingham Sunday, March on Washington etc. and other
national issues that were of profound interest to me but not part of my
life) until race became part of my daily family life in 1970. Understanding
the "crime' of breathing while black just doesn't occur to white people.  I
was blessed beyond words with an interracial family and provided with
insights and opportunities for personal growth I would never have had
without Afro-American children.  And, heaven knows I don't enjoy playing my
version of the white privilege race card so I kinda need to avoid a
retelling (to the great relief of all, I imagine) of my personal journal.

Best, 

Rose

From: Scott Dredge [mailto:scooterd408 at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 11:26 AM
To: Paul Rumelhart; Rosemary Huskey; viz
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] No book deal

First off, thank you for your honesty Rose.  Again, I did watch the
interview and scoured the transcripts but nothing convinced me that Juror
B37 was a 'racist' or that she was a 'cretin'.  In terms of her being
'culturally incompetent', I felt that could not be determined from the
interview as she did not disclose anything about her past.

About the only thing that came up in the interview that might have been
considered racist was that Trayvon had allegedly said in a phone call that
he was being followed by a 'creepy-ass cracker'.  Juror B37 said she didn't
consider this to be a racist comment.  FWIW, I don't either.  I just
considered it the lingo he used with his friend to describe the guy
following him.

Anyway - if there is anything specific that you can cite from the
transcript, I'd be happy to give you my interpretation of the message I
think she is trying to convey.

-Scott

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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:14:38 -0700
From: godshatter at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] No book deal
To: donaldrose at cpcinternet.com; scooterd408 at hotmail.com;
vision2020 at moscow.com

The ironic thing here is that George Zimmerman belonged to a mixed race
family, and described himself as "Hispanic" on voter registration forms.  He
has just as much experience as you do living in a mixed race family.  You
can read more about that here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/29/trayvon-martin-case-georg_n_1387711
.html  Nothing about this case follows the standard "white guy with a gun
stalks black child" scenario very closely.

But, the police put down "white" on the police report, and the media ran
with it (possibly because his surname didn't sound ethnic).  Then, thanks to
creative editing by someone at NBC, we got a snippet from 9-1-1 having
Zimmerman say "This guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black", when
the "he looks black" part actually came later in the conversation when the
9-1-1 operator asked what the suspects race was.  He didn't mention Martin's
race until asked.  More on this here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trayvon_Martin#Misleading_audio_editing_by_NBC
This allowed the media to frame this as a racial issue, and it went to hell
from there.

So, if you can spare any anger from what you're feeling for Zimmerman,
Scott, or myself, try directing it at the main stream media, particularly
NBC for trying to dupe us all into viewing this in a way that would provide
them with more papers sold and more clicks on their websites.

Paul

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From: Rosemary Huskey <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>
To: 'Scott Dredge' <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>; 'viz' <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] No book deal

Good Morning Scott,

I might well be all three of those adjectives, Scott.  However, I have one
"credential" that I think you and most of the other white readers  on V2020
(and certainly those moronic women on the jury) lack -  the experience of an
interracial family, and forty plus years of dealing with folks who don't
even recognize the bounty they reap from  unearned privilege and racial
entitlement - starting with my own  embarrassing lack of awareness of the
power of race and gender-based benefits decades ago.   

I have slowly and painfully earned the right to be mighty sick and tired of
limousine  liberals, Dixiecrat conservatives, and "crazy ass white crackers
who sit on Florida juries"  in matters concerning the inherent bigotry in
this state, in Florida,  and this country.  And even with all that, I am
still (until I open my mouth) gratuitously awarded advantages that people of
color rarely enjoy.

I consider Juror B37 to be profoundly unaware and grievously ignorant of the
real world of those who are not born middleclass, able-bodied, white, and
male.  I don't give a hoot or a holler about her weeping and moaning over
the "hours" she and her cohorts spent whittling down Zimmerman's
culpability. That is so offensive to me that even I dare not open that door.

Rose

From: Scott Dredge [mailto:scooterd408 at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:26 AM
To: Rosemary Huskey; viz
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] No book deal

Correction:

Rose, you've now deemed to be 'racist', 'culturally incompetent', and a
'cretin'.

Same question applies though...Would it be fair to say that you consider
Juror B37 to be 'biased' and that you consider yourself to be 'unbiased'?

-Scott

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From: scooterd408 at hotmail.com
To: donaldrose at cpcinternet.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 09:58:02 -0600
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] No book deal

<her cultural incompetence remains available as a teachable moment for all
of us.>

The teachable moment that I get out of this from you Rose is that if you
disagree with a verdict, find fault with
jurors.   You've now deemed Juror B37 as 'racist' and 'culturally
incompetent'.

Would it be fair to say that you consider Juror B37 to be 'biased' and that
you consider yourself to be 'unbiased'?

The reason I ask is that I watched the interview and I read the full
transcript and found her to be neither a 'racist'
nor 'culturally incompetent'.  That doesn't mean that she's not, I just
don't find enough evidence based on what
I've seen and read.  I'm willing to keep an open mind though.

-Scott

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From: donaldrose at cpcinternet.com
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:25:23 -0700
Subject: [Vision2020] No book deal

In fairness, since I mentioned the potential book deal for Juror B37 I am
honor bound to share:

"Martin Literary Management announced Monday that it was representing B37
and her husband, who is an attorney. The names of the jurors have not been
released, but during jury selection it was disclosed that B37 works in an
unspecified management position and has two adult children.

But agency head Sharlene Martin released a statement late Monday saying she
was no longer representing the juror and that the juror had dropped the book
idea. It included a statement that she said was crafted in conjunction with
agency in which the juror explained that being sequestered had kept her
shielded "from the depth of pain that exists among the general public over
every aspect of the case." The juror said that the book was meant to show
that our justice system "can get so complicated that it creates a conflict
with our `spirit' of justice."

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news
/articles/cfn/2013/7/15/george_zimmerman_tri.html

It is to be hoped that she can quietly retire to her private life, although,
her cultural incompetence remains available as a teachable moment for all of
us.

Rose Huskey

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