[Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95

Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Mon Jul 15 18:07:59 PDT 2013 

Maybe my last post didn't go through.

You seem to be concentrating just on the trial Paul. But there was so much about the situation that was wrong, so much about the situation that strikes me as racist, so much about the investigation that strikes me as racist. 

Suppose a 17-year-old white kid lived in Watts and some black man followed him around and later killed him. What would happen then?

On Jul 15, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:

> The problem as I see it, Keely, is that you want it to be an injustice.  You want it to be about the innocent black kid that was gunned down by the armed white man for no reason other than he was black.  Facts to the contrary be damned.  It's a nice story, but just remember that that's what it is: a story.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> From: Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>
> To: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 1:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
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> Tom, be there Friday at 6, tell everyone you know, bring whatever microphone you can, and I'll see you there.  I don't care how many people show up.  I care very much that I myself not be silent in the face of such an injustice.
> 
> Keely
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> > 1. Re: Trayvon Martin rally? (Tom Hansen)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:28:21 -0700
> > From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> > To: Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>
> > Cc: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>, Jeanne McHale
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> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trayvon Martin rally?
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> > I am with you 1,000,000,000 . . . %, Keely.
> > 
> > Please let me know what I, or Moscow Cares, can do to make this rally a reality, and consider it done.
> > 
> > Come on, V-Peeps. GIVE A DAMN !
> > 
> > Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
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> > "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
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> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> > 
> > "There's room at the top they are telling you still 
> > But first you must learn how to smile as you kill 
> > If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
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> > - John Lennon
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> > On Jul 15, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com> wrote:
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> > > Visionaires, 
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> > > I've been out of town for two weeks so I don't know if there's a rally or anything scheduled on the Palouse in support of the Trayvon Martin family and to express outrage at the verdict. If not, I'd suggest 6 p.m. Friday at Friendship Square. Please either inform me of something previously planned, or pass this around. I'd be willing to speak and I know others of you would, too.
> > > 
> > > This saddens and angers me beyond measure. We have to speak out.
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> > > Love,
> > > Keely
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> > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 12:31:27 -0600
> > From: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
> > To: Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>, viz <vision2020 at moscow.com>
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> > What would be the point? It was very controversial to bring George Zimmerman to trial in the first place. He was acquitted. Not even a hung jury. Outright full acquittal.
> > 
> > I hate sounding like a broken record but for whatever reason I can't seem to get a basic point across that ***we do not have system of mob rule***. If we did, Zimmerman would have already been lynched without due process long ago. Would that be less of an outrage?
> > 
> > -Scott
> > 
> > From: siyocreo at live.com
> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:18:06 -0700
> > Subject: [Vision2020] Trayvon Martin rally?
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Visionaires, 
> > 
> > I've been out of town for two weeks so I don't know if there's a rally or anything scheduled on the Palouse in support of the Trayvon Martin family and to express outrage at the verdict. If not, I'd suggest 6 p.m. Friday at Friendship Square. Please either inform me of something previously planned, or pass this around. I'd be willing to speak and I know others of you would, too.
> > 
> > This saddens and angers me beyond measure. We have to speak out.
> > 
> > Love,
> > Keely
> > 
> > 
> > www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
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> > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:44:05 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> > To: Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>, "vision2020 at moscow.com"
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> > Keely,
> > 
> > Did you look at the evidence?? I don't see how the jury could have done any differently.? Zimmerman was using the "self-defense" defense, and there was enough evidence of that to provide reasonable doubt (his injuries, the witness who saw the guy in the white sweater beating on the guy in the red sweater, the inability to determine who was shouting for help).? According to Zimmerman, Martin saw his weapon and they fought for it and Zimmerman ended up shooting him in the chest.? Since Martin isn't around to give his side of events (conveniently, I know) and since there is no evidence to disprove this, they pretty much had to acquit.? In my opinion, of course.? To prove second degree murder, they would have to disprove the self-defense defense and show that he was unhinged enough to take this opportunity to go kill Martin.? I haven't seen any evidence of that, either.
> > 
> > 
> > The media has worked hard to make this about race, but there was no indication I saw that Zimmerman was racially motivated.? If anything, Martin was the one framing everything by race.? NBC had to resort to editing the 9-1-1 tape to make it look like it was racially motivated, but the real 9-1-1 tape doesn't appear to show this (at least what I've heard of it).? 
> > 
> > 
> > If you want to get out there and protest something, I recommend protesting what NBC did when editing the 9-1-1 tape in an attempt to ignite racial tensions.? Or protest what the NSA has been doing.? Or protest the drone strikes or the secret courts or the secret reasoning for gathering information on everyone that can't be revealed.? Or protest how the US is going after Snowden so hard instead of cleaning house.? 
> > 
> > 
> > Don't be distracted by this media circus.
> > 
> > Paul
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > From: Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>
> > To: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
> > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 11:18 AM
> > Subject: [Vision2020] Trayvon Martin rally?
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Visionaires, 
> > 
> > I've been out of town for two weeks so I don't know if there's a rally or anything scheduled on the Palouse in support of the Trayvon Martin family and to express outrage at the verdict.? If not, I'd suggest 6 p.m. Friday at Friendship Square.? Please either inform me of something previously planned, or pass this around.? I'd be willing to speak and I know others of you would, too.
> > 
> > This saddens and angers me beyond measure.? We have to speak out.
> > 
> > Love,
> > Keely
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
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