[Vision2020] Another hate group?
Carl Westberg
idahovandal1 at live.com
Mon Jan 21 12:51:46 PST 2013
If Joe McCarthy was "right over 90% of the time", Roger, he did a spectacular job of utterly destroying people's lives and careers the rest of the time.
From: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 12:02:28 -0800
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group?
Roger,
I like the man RFK became, not the man he was when he was working with the likes of McCarthy.
Sunil
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:55:03 +0100
> To: lfalen at turbonet.com; suehovey at moscow.com; philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> From: lfalen at turbonet.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com; rhayes at frontier.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group?
>
> Correction, Bobby Kennedy was an Assistant Counsel to McCarthy.
> Roger
>
>
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group?
> >From: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> >To: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>, "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> >Date: 01/21/13 19:30:56
> >
> >Joe Mccarthy was right over 90% of the time. He did bring to light a lot of communist activity. The daring of liberals( Bobby Kennedy) worked with him as a council on the HUAC. But just like Dees and Potok he was some times wrong. I sitll say that before you believe what Potok or Dees say, check it out with Alan Dershowitz.
> >Roger
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>Subject: Re: Re[2]: Re[2]: [Vision2020] Another hate group?
> >>From: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>
> >>To: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> >>Date: 01/21/13 01:22:02
> >>
> >>Rush Limbaugh apologized! That was no apology, "I sincerely apologize for
> >>using those words." Cripes. And he missed her point entirely when he went
> >>on to justify himself. I'm guessing I did see those "fact" sheets to which
> >>you refer, and also the divorce piece which I quit reading after questioning
> >>its legitimacy, as well. Even the fellow who posted it said he couldn't
> >>attest to its legitimacy. Then there was this really great white supremacy
> >>web site that had a lot of stuff. Sorry, I saw nothing I would consider
> >>legitimate. I read somewhere in all this that Glen Beck had some info...so
> >>I repeat.....
> >>And when did Joe McCarthy ever do any good?
> >>
> >>Sue
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: lfalen
> >>Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 1:31 PM
> >>To: Sue Hovey ; Joe Campbell
> >>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com ; rhayes at frontier.com
> >>Subject: Re[2]: Re[2]: [Vision2020] Another hate group?
> >>
> >>Try looking for Morris Dees devorce or Morris Dees fact sheet. You may
> >>discount this sources if you like also. Rush was out of line on Sandra Fluke
> >>and he apoligized for it. I am not saying Dees did not do some good things,
> >>only that like Joe McCarthy he has gone overboard.
> >>Roger
> >>
> >>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Vision2020] Another hate group?
> >>>From: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>
> >>>To: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>, lfalen
> >>><lfalen at turbonet.com>
> >>>Date: 01/20/13 05:58:34
> >>>
> >>>Roger,
> >>>
> >>>I looked and can't find anything that records a charge against Dees for
> >>>either incest or child abuse. There's a lot of extremist web talking about
> >>>the subject of Dees which hammers at him for his ties to Jews, and the
> >>>other
> >>>behavior, but I can't find anything really convincing. I would assume hate
> >>>groups would libel and slander him, but where are the believable sources?
> >>>I
> >>>didn't find any, and did find a statement the SPLC continues to battle
> >>>those
> >>>groups for their words against him: liar, public sex offender, abuser,
> >>>incestuous, arrogant, etc. I only worked with Dees in groups, so I can't
> >>>say we have ever had any personal conversations, but I have never even
> >>>found
> >>>him to be arrogant, and certainly nothing I ever saw of him would lead me
> >>>to
> >>>believe any of the other accusations.
> >>>
> >>>If for no other reason, Idaho citizens owe him and the SPLC a great debt
> >>>for
> >>>finally getting Richard Butler and the Aryan Nations.
> >>>
> >>>I'm thinking the sources tying Dees is to child abuse are as legitimate as
> >>>Limbaugh tying Sandra Fluke is to prostitution...
> >>>
> >>>Sue H
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: lfalen
> >>>Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 11:09 AM
> >>>To: Sue Hovey ; Joe Campbell
> >>>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com ; rhayes at frontier.com
> >>>Subject: Re[2]: [Vision2020] Another hate group?
> >>>
> >>>The SPLC has done some good work in regard to groups like the KKK. Morris
> >>>Dees has gone overboard in in labeling groups like the League of the South
> >>>as a hate group. They have members from all races. As to his character, he
> >>>has been charges with incest and child abuse. Mark Potok has lableled most
> >>>patriot groups as hate groups, Rush Limbaugh in particular. Note I am not a
> >>>big fan of Rush's . On the aniversary of the Spanish Civil War he gave a
> >>>glowing report on the Abraham Lincoln Brigade with out mention ing that it
> >>>was a communist front group.
> >>>Again the SPLC has done some good, but these two go overboard. For those
> >>>that condemn Joe McCarthy for going overboard, they should do the same for
> >>>these two.
> >>>Roger
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group?
> >>>>From: &quot;Sue Hovey&quot; <suehovey at moscow.com>
> >>>>To: &quot;Joe Campbell&quot; <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>, lfalen
> >>>><lfalen at turbonet.com>
> >>>>Date: 01/17/13 08:56:34
> >>>>
> >>>>An example of blasting everyone on the right?
> >>>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: lfalen
> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:15 AM
> >>>>To: Joe Campbell
> >>>>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com ; rhayes at frontier.com
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group?
> >>>>
> >>>>The Southern Poverty Law center is a mixed bag. They do do some good work.
> >>>>Mark Potok and Morris Dees tend to take the shot gun approch and blast
> >>>>every
> >>>>one on the right. Alan Dershowitz is much more careful.
> >>>>Roger
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group?
> >>>>From: &amp;quot;Joe Campbell&amp;quot;
> >>>>To: lfalen
> >>>>Date: 01/16/13 20:22:48
> >>>>
> >>>>What is wrong with the Southern Poverty Law Center? Didn't they chase away
> >>>>the Neo-Nazis up north? Joe
> >>>>
> >>>>On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:16 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >>>>I would also like to thank Saundra for her research. I would hope that
> >>>>this
> >>>>group never gets off the ground, we do not need them in this area. However
> >>>>any group should have the right to build and live in any voluntary manner
> >>>>the chose. I would never want to live in one, but I would also support the
> >>>>right of the Hutterites to build a commune here. As for the Sounthern
> >>>>Poverty Law Center, I have a fair amount of respect for Alan Dershowitz,
> >>>>not
> >>>>so much for Mark Potok,.
> >>>>Roger
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>Subject: [Vision2020] Another hate group?
> >>>>From: rhayes at frontier.com
> >>>>To: &amp;quot;Saundra Lund&amp;quot;
> >>>>Date: 01/16/13 19:43:40
> >>>>
> >>>>Very good research &amp;quot;Saundra.Below is the quote and below that is
> >>>>the
> >>>>link
> >>>>you asked for.While they don't yet seem to espouse the typical hate
> >>>>rhetoric, I don't think they will be fun neighbors if the dubious plan
> >>>>goes
> >>>>forward. Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center,
> >>>>said he doubts the group is any bigger than one or two individuals looking
> >>>>to win a following. He called it nothing more than an idle
> >>>>fantasy.&amp;quot;We
> >>>>don't
> >>>>know who's behind it, but the claim that there are several hundred people
> >>>>involved is patently ludicrous,&amp;quot; Potok said. &amp;quot;We're
> >>>>likely
> >>>>talking about a
> >>>>man, a dog and his computer envisioning this whole imaginary city. We
> >>>>don't
> >>>>take it that seriously.&amp;quot;
> >>>>
> >>>>Read more:
> >>>>http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/patriot-group-looks-to-create-armed-community-in-idaho-montana/article_3f4368e3-407c-590e-9263-594456826987.html#ixzz2IAHyZvCs
> >>>> From: Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
> >>>>To: 'Sunil Ramalingam' <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>; keim153 at gmail.com
> >>>>Cc: 'vision 2020' <vision2020 at moscow.com>; rhayes at frontier.com
> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 2:52 AM
> >>>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Another hate group
> >>>>
> >>>>At the risk of Paul again confusing discussion with hate . . . Roger
> >>>>(Falen)
> >>>>wrote:&amp;quot;I do not know anything about this group, but how does
> >>>>anyone
> >>>>know
> >>>>that they are a hate group? A little bit wako probably, but not
> >>>>necessarily
> >>>>a hate group.&amp;quot; I think the question is a good one, and I don't
> >>>>think
> >>>>we
> >>>>know the answer to it. After all, hate groups rarely (if ever) consider
> >>>>themselves to be hate groups, you know J And, what they say for public
> >>>>consumption is often quite different than what they say amongst the inner
> >>>>circle. To back up a bit, I can't find anything where the SPLC has looked
> >>>>at the Citadel and its separate but integral III Arms - Roger (Hayes), can
> >>>>you provide a link? The group clearly considers itself to be part of the
> >>>>&amp;quot;Patriot&amp;quot; movement &amp;amp; reveres John Wesley, Rawls
> >>>>(yawn, one of
> >>>>those highly
> >>>>paid anti-government doomsday/prepper/survivalist types) and his
> >>>>&amp;quot;American Redoubt.&amp;quot; Rawls, however, has recently
> >>>>disavowed any
> >>>>connection
> >>>>to III Citadel, which I found hilarious, while failing to distance himself
> >>>>from the weapons manufacture of III Arms Company, which is how this group
> >>>>expects to fund the III Citadel. They've supposedly purchased 20 acres
> >>>>(so
> >>>>far) in the St. Maries area &amp;amp; plan on starting to build the III
> >>>>Arms
> >>>>factory
> >>>>(the first phase) there in early-to-mid year. At this point, I think
> >>>>their
> >>>>weapons are still being custom-manufactured in WV . . . if they are
> >>>>actually
> >>>>being made at all. And, in my book, the interesting thing about the III
> >>>>Citadel is the III Arms Company - lots of right-wing extremists have
> >>>>attempted to establish insular communities, but they typically fail, is
> >>>>seems to me, because of the finances (as well as in-fighting, not to
> >>>>mention
> >>>>not being able to play well with others, something the III Citadel/III
> >>>>Arms
> >>>>Company hasn't avoided). III Arms Company is an attempt (or perhaps a
> >>>>scam)
> >>>>to provide funding to make the III Citadel a reality (or a more profitable
> >>>>scam). The whole thing makes me think of a bunch of silly role-playing
> >>>>teenagers enamored with their interpretation of the Second Amendment
> >>>>trying
> >>>>to form a doomsday utopia as an excuse for their hoarding tendencies
> >>>>&amp;amp;
> >>>>expensive deadly toys. However, I find the psychology very interesting!
> >>>>In
> >>>>tough economic times, it's fascinating to me that anyone would turn over
> >>>>$208 to &amp;quot;apply&amp;quot; to lease a &amp;quot;home&amp;quot; in a
> >>>>walled community
> >>>>that probably won't
> >>>>exist anytime soon. They estimate that the cost of that silly wall alone
> >>>>will cost in the neighborhood of $25 million. An examination of the
> >>>>stated
> >>>>goals of the III Citadel community and associated costs aren't realistic,
> >>>>financially or otherwise. Reading the blogs of those involved shows -at
> >>>>best - a stunning ignorance of basics like sustainability, economics,
> >>>>legal
> >>>>principles, weather in Benewah County, growing seasons, roads,
> >>>>accessibility, etc. But . . . it gets even better J III Arms claims
> >>>>that
> >>>>it's a non-profit! I kid you not J
> >>>>http://iiiarms.blogspot.com/2012/11/black-rifle-friday.html &amp;quot;And
> >>>>remember,
> >>>>III Arms is not a for-profit company. All proceeds go to the Citadel
> >>>>Project, to help build a bastion of Liberty for us all.&amp;quot;
> >>>>ROTFLOF!!!
> >>>>But,
> >>>>wait: it gets even better J Has anyone besides me wondered why the III
> >>>>Citadel is collecting money but doesn't have a spokesperson? Curious,
> >>>>don't
> >>>>you think? Well, perhaps it's because the person behind the
> >>>>&amp;quot;firearms
> >>>>arms
> >>>>required&amp;quot; III Citadel and initially behind III Arms Co. is a
> >>>>federally
> >>>>convicted felon who apparently isn't even able to legally own a firearm J
> >>>>I kid you not! I've been trying
> >>>>to track down rumors &amp;amp; facts for a couple of weeks now since Tom
> >>>>first
> >>>>posted, and the earliest references I've been able to find originated with
> >>>>a
> >>>>man apparently named Christian or Chris Kerodin, which may or may not be
> >>>>his
> >>>>real name since he's a dude with a lot of apparent aliases, scams, and
> >>>>blogs. But, in reading his blogs, he definitely seems to be this
> >>>>guy:http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/mar/26/20040326-124129-2670r/print/An
> >>>>Alexandria, Va., man was sentenced yesterday in federal court to 30 months
> >>>>in prison and fined $6,000 after he pleaded guilty in January to charges
> >>>>of
> >>>>extortion and possessing an unregistered short-barreled rifle.U.S.
> >>>>Attorney
> >>>>Paul J. McNulty in Alexandria said Christian Kerodin, 36, was sentenced by
> >>>>U.S. District Judge Gerald Bruce Lee, who also ordered that the prison
> >>>>term
> >>>>be followed by three years of supervised release.Mr. McNulty said Kerodin
> >>>>published a report on the Internet in May titled &amp;quot;Terrorist
> >>>>Target
> >>>>List:
> >>>>American Retailers &amp;amp; Restaurants,&amp;quot; which said shopping
> >>>>venues were
> >>>>likely to
> >>>>be prime targets for terrorist attacks and billed himself as a security
> >>>>expert.A month later, he said, Kerodin contacted officials at the Fashion
> >>>>Centre at Pentagon City, Landmark Mall and Tysons Galleria, saying that a
> >>>>new edition of his Internet report was due shortly and that if they
> >>>>contracted with him for security assessments, he would not include their
> >>>>names in the new report as needing security upgrades.The Fashion Centre is
> >>>>owned by the Simon Property Group, and Landmark and Tysons Galleria are
> >>>>owned by General Growth Properties Inc.Mr. McNulty said mall officials
> >>>>asked
> >>>>Kerodin to provide the names of other clients for references or to supply
> >>>>credentials for persons who worked for his company. He refused, saying he
> >>>>did not need
> >>>>experience to be an expert in counterterrorism. None of the malls hired
> >>>>him.In July, Kerodin published the report, which criticized several area
> >>>>shopping malls for being vulnerable to terrorist attacks, specifically
> >>>>criticizing the Fashion Centre, Landmark Mall and Tysons Galleria. Mr.
> >>>>McNulty said Kerodin recontacted officials at Simon and General Growth by
> >>>>letter and threatened to release similarly negative reports on 14 other
> >>>>properties that the companies owned.An agent from the Department of
> >>>>Homeland
> >>>>Security posing as a mall executive then contacted Kerodin, telling him
> >>>>the
> >>>>malls had hired another security company and asking that they not be
> >>>>included in additional reports. The agent also offered Kerodin $40,000 to
> >>>>be
> >>>>left out of any new reports.Mr. McNulty said Kerodin rejected the offer
> >>>>and
> >>>>demanded $122,500. He then was arrested.&amp;quot;This defendant took
> >>>>advantage
> >>>>of
> >>>>the heightened
> >>>>concern we all have to protect ourselves from terrorism. It is
> >>>>reprehensible
> >>>>that someone would exploit that concern for personal gain,&amp;quot; Mr.
> >>>>McNulty
> >>>>said.Huh. I guess their definition of &amp;quot;law-abiding&amp;quot; is
> >>>>quite a
> >>>>bit
> >>>>different than is mine. And, I feel soooo much better (not!) that it's
> >>>>his
> >>>>wife Holly, rather than convicted felon Christian Kerodin himself, who is
> >>>>listed with the Idaho Secretary of State as a &amp;quot;member or
> >>>>manager&amp;quot;
> >>>>of III
> >>>>Arms Company, LLC:http://www.accessidaho.org/public/sos/corp/W116214.html
> >>>>I
> >>>>highly recommend checking out (one of) Kerodin's blogs. Here's a
> >>>>sample:http://iiipercent.blogspot.com/2013/01/in-absence-of-orders-go-find-something.html
> >>>>In the absence of orders, go find something evil and kill it.I borrowed
> >>>>the
> >>>>title from WRSA.
> >>>>
> >>>>I think you will see this phrase again on this blog.
> >>>>
> >>>>If we are Citizen Soldiers, a Leaderless entity, or small groups of
> >>>>Patriots
> >>>>who have installed a command structure among themselves, but otherwise
> >>>>answer to no central command, then it is incumbant upon each of us to
> >>>>shoulder our portion of the burden and act independantly.
> >>>>
> >>>>In the absence of orders, go find something evil and kill it.
> >>>>
> >>>>You'll know when. You already know who. You should know where they are in
> >>>>your AO.
> >>>>
> >>>>You know what is Evil.
> >>>>
> >>>>You know what it is going to take to backfist the Tyrants out of our lives
> >>>>for the next few generations. Fight to the knife, and knife to the hilt...
> >>>>
> >>>>Standing Orders: In the absence of orders, go find something evil and kill
> >>>>it.
> >>>>
> >>>>Kerodin
> >>>>III Wow - that's just the kind of dude I want as an Idahoan!!! Is that,
> >>>>and
> >>>>a lot of other vitriol he's written, &amp;quot;hate&amp;quot;? Rather than
> >>>>recount
> >>>>a lot of
> >>>>details, an article providing lots of interesting background was just
> >>>>published:http://politicker.com/2013/01/meet-the-men-who-want-to-build-an-armed-castle-commune-for-patriots/James
> >>>>L. Miller is many things, a motorcycle enthusiast, accused online scammer,
> >>>>doomsday prepper, gunmaker and cat lover. Christian Kerodin also wears a
> >>>>number of hats; he is an air conditioning repairman, blogger, author,
> >>>>self-styled security consultant and convicted extortionist. Both men also
> >>>>seem to be the masterminds behind a plan to build a massive, armed
> >>>>survivalist compound in Idaho that has been making national
> >>>>headlines.According to the website of the Citadel, it will be a
> >>>>&amp;quot;community
> >>>>of 3,500 - 7,000 families of patriotic Americans who voluntarily
> >>>>choose to live together in accordance with Thomas Jefferson's ideal of
> >>>>Rightful Liberty&amp;quot; and is being planned for Northern Idaho. Among
> >>>>other
> >>>>things, the designs for the Citadel include a &amp;quot;perimeter
> >>>>defense&amp;quot;
> >>>>with
> >>>>castle-style fortified walls and towers, an on-site gun factory, hotels,
> >>>>schools, a &amp;quot;firearms museum,&amp;quot; a &amp;quot;town
> >>>>militia,&amp;quot; jail
> >>>>and farmer's market. As
> >>>>of now, the community is planned for Benewah County in Northern Idaho.
> >>>>Prospective residents of the Citadel are asked to submit to an application
> >>>>process that includes agreeing to participate in the militia and pass
> >>>>periodic proficiency tests with multiple types of
> >>>>firearms.&amp;quot;Marxists,
> >>>>Socialists, Liberals and Establishment Republicans will likely find that
> >>>>life in our community is incompatible with their existing ideology and
> >>>>preferred lifestyles,&amp;quot; the website says.Though the Citadel
> >>>>website
> >>>>claims
> >>>>the group has no &amp;quot;leader&amp;quot; and is
> >>>>the work of &amp;quot;scores of Liberty-loving individuals,&amp;quot; it
> >>>>appears
> >>>>Mr. Miller
> >>>>and Mr. Kerodin are two of the main forces behind the project. The roman
> >>>>numeral in the community's name seems to be derived from &amp;quot;III
> >>>>Percent
> >>>>Patriots,&amp;quot; a blog operated by Mr. Kerodin where the early
> >>>>discussions
> >>>>were
> >>>>held planning the Citadel's design and potential locations. An entry on
> >>>>Mr.
> >>>>Kerodin's personal website describes the meaning of the term &amp;quot;III
> >>>>Percent
> >>>>Patriots.&amp;quot;&amp;quot;Historians consider that about 3 percent of
> >>>>Americans
> >>>>took arms
> >>>>and challenged the King during the Revolution. 3 percent. III Percent.
> >>>>Threepers. Patriots. We exist today,&amp;quot; Mr. Kerodin wrote.
> >>>>&amp;quot;We are
> >>>>that
> >>>>percentage of Americans who have the tools and mettle of the Militiaman
> >>>>who
> >>>>stand and have drawn a hard line for the Hard Right of the political
> >>>>spectrum.&amp;quot;Along with his political activities, Mr. Kerodin has
> >>>>also
> >>>>worked
> >>>>as a repairman for
> >>>>heating and air conditioning systems. In 2002, Mr. Kerodin started a
> >>>>security consultancy. The following year, he printed an eight-page
> >>>>analysis
> >>>>of terrorism weaknesses at shopping malls in the Washington D.C. area.
> >>>>According to reports from the time, he subsequently contacted mall
> >>>>operators
> >>>>in the area and told them they would be included in other similar analyses
> >>>>if they did not hire him to conduct security assessments. A concerned
> >>>>company contacted the Secret Service who had an undercover agent contact
> >>>>Mr.
> >>>>Kerodin who allegedly agreed to keep the business out of his reports after
> >>>>accepting a $120,000 check. He was arrested and indicted for an extortion
> >>>>charge to which he plead guilty. Mr. Kerodin was sentenced to 30 months in
> >>>>prison for the crime and an associated firearms charge. As a federal
> >>>>felon,
> >>>>Mr. Kerodin cannot own a weapon, but on his website, he says he is
> >>>>&amp;quot;exploring&amp;quot; legal
> >>>>avenues to &amp;quot;recover&amp;quot; his &amp;quot;firearms
> >>>>rights.&amp;quot;In one of
> >>>>the Citadel planning
> >>>>posts on Mr. Kerodin's blogs, a commenter using an online alias linked to
> >>>>Mr. Miller, &amp;quot;Millerized,&amp;quot; offers to bring his
> >>>>&amp;quot;firearm
> >>>>smithing&amp;quot; skills to
> >>>>the community. &amp;quot;Millerized,&amp;quot; is also one of the authors
> >>>>of the
> >>>>Citadel blog.
> >>>>In addition to being his online alias, &amp;quot;Millerized&amp;quot; was
> >>>>also the
> >>>>name of a
> >>>>company previously by Mr. Miller that originally made motorcycle parts.
> >>>>Last
> >>>>October, Millerized began doing business as &amp;quot;III Arms.&amp;quot;
> >>>>The III
> >>>>Arms website
> >>>>describes it as a firearms company &amp;quot;dedicated to building
> >>>>first-class
> >>>>fighting arms for the defense of Jefferson's Rightful Liberty.&amp;quot;
> >>>>III
> >>>>Arms
> >>>>will have a factory inside the Citadel's walls that is planned to be the
> >>>>prime source of revenue and employment for the project's early residents.
> >>>>Mr. Miller is identified on LinkedIn as the &amp;quot;president&amp;quot;
> >>>>of III
> >>>>Arms.In
> >>>>addition
> >>>>to Mr. Miller's business activities, he has an extensive digital trail
> >>>>that
> >>>>includes &amp;quot;Millerized's&amp;quot; participation in sites for
> >>>>self-described
> >>>>doomsday
> >>>>&amp;quot;preppers&amp;quot; and survivalists. On one of these forums,
> >>>>Millerized
> >>>>describes
> >>>>work done in his house where he has multiple cats. A web page tied to Mr.
> >>>>Miller's name and address is also identified as having participated in
> >>>>so-called &amp;quot;phishing&amp;quot; scams on a site dedicated to
> >>>>identifying
> >>>>these
> >>>>fraudulent attempts to obtain personal information.As of this writing,
> >>>>neither Mr. Miller or Mr. Kerodin have responded to multiple requests for
> >>>>comment on this story. However, Mr. Miller seems to be enjoying the
> >>>>attention the Citadel has recently received. A Facebook page that seems to
> >>>>belong to Mr. Miller features pictures of customized military fatigues
> >>>>with
> >>>>the III Arms logo and the words &amp;quot;Millerized&amp;quot; and
> >>>>&amp;quot;Patriot.&amp;quot; It also includes
> >>>>a picture of one of
> >>>>the Citadel's more prominent media mentions, a headline about the
> >>>>community
> >>>>on the Drudge Report accompanied by the following caption from Mr.
> >>>>Miller:&amp;quot;We are now huge.&amp;quot;For those interested in
> >>>>learning more,
> >>>>remember
> >>>>Google is your friend, but be prepared to shower frequently. What's that
> >>>>saying? Oh, yeah, &amp;quot;A fool and his money are soon
> >>>>parted.&amp;quot;
> >>>>Personally, I
> >>>>prefer to take the &amp;quot;scam&amp;quot; perspective because the
> >>>>alternative is
> >>>>enough to
> >>>>chill the bones of any person with connected brain cells. Saundra
> >>>>LundMoscow, ID To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards
> >>>>out
> >>>>of men.~ Abraham Lincoln From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> >>>>[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Sunil Ramalingam
> >>>>Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 9:50 PM
> >>>>To: keim153 at gmail.com
> >>>>Cc: vision 2020; rhayes at frontier.com
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group Darrell,
> >>>>
> >>>>I agree, though I have to add that someone posted about them last month; I
> >>>>think it was Tom.
> >>>>
> >>>>SunilDate: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:28:26 -0800
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group
> >>>>From: keim153 at gmail.com
> >>>>To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> >>>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com; rhayes at frontier.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>I am the original poster of this topic. I never called it a hate group.
> >>>>I
> >>>>called them survivalists. I think Roger Hayes changed the subject to a
> >>>>hate
> >>>>tagline. What say you, Roger?On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Sunil
> >>>>Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:I'm with Roger on this.
> >>>>Maybe
> >>>>they're complete nut jobs, but I don't know that they're a hate group.
> >>>>
> >>>>What is the evidence behind that claim?
> >>>>
> >>>>SunilDate: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 02:36:50 +0100
> >>>>To: thansen at moscow.com; keim153 at gmail.com
> >>>>From: lfalen at turbonet.com
> >>>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com; rhayes at frontier.com
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate groupI do not know anything about
> >>>>this group, but how does anyone know that they are a hate group? A little
> >>>>bit wako probably, but not necessarily a hate group.Roger
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group
> >>>>From: &amp;quot;Tom Hansen&amp;quot;
> >>>>To: &amp;quot;Darrell Keim&amp;quot;
> >>>>Date: 01/13/13 23:12:16How's this for
> >>>>&amp;quot;freedom&amp;quot;&amp;quot; My father
> >>>>was a POW in
> >>>>Stalag Luft IIIA during the last year and a half of WW2. I am convinced
> >>>>that he experienced less isolation than the freedom-loving residents of
> >>>>the
> >>>>Citadel.Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . . &amp;quot;Moscow
> >>>>Cares&amp;quot;http://www.moscowcares.com/ Tom HansenMoscow, Idaho
> >>>>&amp;quot;There's room at
> >>>>the top they are telling you still But first you must learn how to
> >>>>smile
> >>>>as you kill
> >>>>If you want to be like the folks on the hill.&amp;quot; - John Lennon
> >>>>On Jan 13, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>Goodie. So it will be like Bo Gritz &amp;quot;Almost Heaven&amp;quot;
> >>>>near Kamiah.
> >>>>Wonderful.On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 1:37 PM, rhayes at frontier.com
> >>>><rhayes at frontier.com> wrote: The Southern Poverty Law Center has dismissed
> >>>>this &amp;quot;group&amp;quot; as a couple of guys with a computer who are
> >>>>trying
> >>>>to drum up a
> >>>>following and bilk those who take the bait of cash.
> >>>>
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