[Vision2020] hate group
Warren Hayman
whayman at roadrunner.com
Mon Jan 14 17:06:09 PST 2013
I admit I chuckled at the area code price.
Warren Hayman
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From: Carl Westberg
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] hate group
It will never come to fruition. A bunch of people will be bilked out of $208.00, while the "organizer" nets a nifty profit.
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From: godshatter at yahoo.com
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Subject: Re: [Vision2020] hate group
I guess I don't get the Citadel hate on this forum. It's basically a gated community for firearms geeks who want to provide themselves a higher level of defense. It's an interesting idea, and I hope it works for them.
It's their land, their rights, their time and sweat and labor. More power to them. It's an experiment, and I'm interested in how it turns out.
Paul
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From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
To: "rhayes at frontier.com" <rhayes at frontier.com>
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Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 10:37 AM
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III Citadel
Our Community:
The Citadel project has been an amazing experience. The community we have created in a very short time is incredible. A group of dedicated volunteers, working together on a project we truly believe in. Creating the future that we want instead of waiting around for the future to just happen to us.
When I first heard about the idea, I was hooked. It's the type of thing that I might daydream about but not ever consider as a real possibility. Even something as modest as the idea James Rawles had in his book "Patriots", a small group of friends buying property together in northern Idaho was more than I could hope to achieve.
As I look at the comments, the thing that really jumps out at me is the number of people who think this isn't just a good idea or an interesting idea but a life changing idea.
Read the rest at our blog here: http://iiicitadel.blogspot.com/2013/01/our-community.html
III Citadel Blog: Our Community
iiicitadel.blogspot.com
The Citadel is a developing community of Patriots in the mountains of Idaho who believe in Jefferson's Rightful Liberty and have chosen to live amongst one another, and have sworn our lives, our fortunes and our Sacred Honor to defend one another and Liberty.
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Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
"Moscow Cares"
http://www.MoscowCares.com
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
"There's room at the top they are telling you still
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
- John Lennon
On Jan 14, 2013, at 10:09 AM, "rhayes at frontier.com" <rhayes at frontier.com> wrote:
Agreed. Not a hate group per se. And I am certain that this sort of cloister would only attract the finest racially/culturally tolerant folks.
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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:50:12 -0800
From: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
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Darrell,
I agree, though I have to add that someone posted about them last month; I think it was Tom.
Sunil
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:28:26 -0800
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group
From: keim153 at gmail.com
To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com; rhayes at frontier.com
I am the original poster of this topic. I never called it a hate group. I called them survivalists. I think Roger Hayes changed the subject to a hate tagline. What say you, Roger?
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
I'm with Roger on this. Maybe they're complete nut jobs, but I don't know that they're a hate group.
What is the evidence behind that claim?
Sunil
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 02:36:50 +0100
To: thansen at moscow.com; keim153 at gmail.com
From: lfalen at turbonet.com
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Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group
I do not know anything about this group, but how does anyone know that they are a hate group? A little bit wako probably, but not necessarily a hate group.Roger
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Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group
From: "Tom Hansen"
To: "Darrell Keim"
Date: 01/13/13 23:12:16
How's this for "freedom""
My father was a POW in Stalag Luft IIIA during the last year and a half of WW2. I am convinced that he experienced less isolation than the freedom-loving residents of the Citadel.
Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
"Moscow Cares"
http://www.moscowcares.com/
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
"There's room at the top they are telling you still
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
- John Lennon
On Jan 13, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:
Goodie. So it will be like Bo Gritz "Almost Heaven" near Kamiah. Wonderful.
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 1:37 PM, rhayes at frontier.com <rhayes at frontier.com> wrote:
The Southern Poverty Law Center has dismissed this "group" as a couple of guys with a computer who are trying to drum up a following and bilk those who take the bait of cash.
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1. Oh Goodie: Another Survivalist Community in Idaho (Darrell Keim)
2. Re: Oh Goodie: Another Survivalist Community in Idaho (Tom Hansen)
3. Re: Oh Goodie: Another Survivalist Community in Idaho
(Joe Campbell)
4. Re: Oh Goodie: Another Survivalist Community in Idaho
(Darrell Keim)
5. Re: Oh Goodie: Another Survivalist Community in Idaho
(Darrell Keim)
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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 11:19:39 -0800
From: Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com>
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Subject: [Vision2020] Oh Goodie: Another Survivalist Community in
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Anyone heard of this groups plans for building a walled community in
Benewah county? They claim to have already purchased twenty acres on top of
a mountain, with a goal of 3000 more.
They call themselves The Citadel, claim to be practicing Thomas Jefferson's
"Rightful Liberty."
http://iiicitadel.com/location.html
Thier web page makes for some "interesting" reading.
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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 11:25:51 -0800
From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
To: Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com>
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Ya mean this one?
http://tinyurl.com/atmvfdr
Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
"Moscow Cares"
http://www.moscowcares.com/
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
"There's room at the top they are telling you still
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
- John Lennon
On Jan 13, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone heard of this groups plans for building a walled community in Benewah county? They claim to have already purchased twenty acres on top of a mountain, with a goal of 3000 more.
>
> They call themselves The Citadel, claim to be practicing Thomas Jefferson's "Rightful Liberty."
>
> http://iiicitadel.com/location.html
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> Thier web page makes for some "interesting" reading.
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From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
To: Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com>
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>From the link below: "The job opportunities and array of industries that
will come with our Citadel project should be sufficient to put the entire
county to work thereby eliminating unemployment and reducing the existing
double-digit poverty level to zero." Pretty bold set of claims!
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone heard of this groups plans for building a walled community in
> Benewah county? They claim to have already purchased twenty acres on top of
> a mountain, with a goal of 3000 more.
>
> They call themselves The Citadel, claim to be practicing Thomas
> Jefferson's "Rightful Liberty."
>
> http://iiicitadel.com/location.html
>
> Thier web page makes for some "interesting" reading.
>
>
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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 11:42:11 -0800
From: Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com>
To: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
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Yep-That's the one! Always good to have our little slice of heaven in the
national media, right?
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
> Ya mean this one?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/atmvfdr
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares"
> http://www.moscowcares.com/
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Anyone heard of this groups plans for building a walled community in
> Benewah county? They claim to have already purchased twenty acres on top of
> a mountain, with a goal of 3000 more.
>
> They call themselves The Citadel, claim to be practicing Thomas
> Jefferson's "Rightful Liberty."
>
> http://iiicitadel.com/location.html
>
> Thier web page makes for some "interesting" reading.
>
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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 11:46:58 -0800
From: Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com>
To: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Oh Goodie: Another Survivalist Community in
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Agreed. And they'll start with a firearms factory.
Have you read their Patriot Agreement? They sure do think weapons
proficiency is patriotic!
Whole thing reads wacky to me. Makes me want to laugh, ala The Colbert
Report Tom linked. But, so did the Aryan Nations before they actually went
ahead and set-up a compound...
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>wrote:
> From the link below: "The job opportunities and array of industries that
> will come with our Citadel project should be sufficient to put the entire
> county to work thereby eliminating unemployment and reducing the existing
> double-digit poverty level to zero." Pretty bold set of claims!
>
> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone heard of this groups plans for building a walled community in
>> Benewah county? They claim to have already purchased twenty acres on top of
>> a mountain, with a goal of 3000 more.
>>
>> They call themselves The Citadel, claim to be practicing Thomas
>> Jefferson's "Rightful Liberty."
>>
>> http://iiicitadel.com/location.html
>>
>> Thier web page makes for some "interesting" reading.
>>
>>
>> =======================================================
>> List services made available by First Step Internet,
>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
>> http://www.fsr.net/
>> mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
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