[Vision2020] Wayne Krauss

[Darrell Keim]

But why is an extra law needed?  If people aren't being treated correctly
(and I certainly agree that has happened MANY times in our history), take
them to court over the issue as expressed in the Constitution.  Allow a
jury of peers to decide.

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>wrote:

> Sorry, Darrell – we’re going to have to agree to disagree about this.
> About a month ago, I did a relatively in-depth critique of Krauss’ inane
> comments about what’s wrong in America, and in that critique, I pointed out
> that I’d attended a forum some years back when Krauss asked intelligent
> comments & offered intelligent responses.  Unfortunately, that’s behavior
> I’ve not seen from Krauss in quite a few years now.****
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> You wrote:****
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> “I agree with the sentiment he attempted to express.  Why can't we work
> with the simple rule already expressed in our countries founding document:
> treat others with basic dignity and decency. “****
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> The answer to that question seems pretty clear to me:  it’s because the
> dogs Krauss & his pals have chosen to lie down with *don’t* believe in
> treating people equally.  You know the type:  those who think that their
> interpretation of the Bible allows them to condemn the LGBTQ community –
> and many other groups -- and deny them equal protection under the law.
> Those who don’t support marriage equality and gender equality and equal pay
> for equal work.  Those who think that the government have no business
> regulating weapons but has every right to stick their prurient noses into
> the Constitutionally guaranteed reproductive choices of women.****
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> I have no idea what Krauss’ views are on those issues, but the fact
> remains that when Krauss voluntarily choose to ally with people who are *
> against* those Constitutional protections, and then he makes stupid
> comments (I watched the videos Tom posted, so I’m quite aware of the
> context, which isn’t quite as bad as the DN article, but still isn’t good
> by *any* stretch), the push-back is more than deserved.****
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> Saundra****
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> *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:
> vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] *On Behalf Of *Darrell Keim
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2013 11:04 AM
> *To:* Art Deco
> *Cc:* vision2020 at moscow.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Wayne Krauss****
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> I happened to sit next to Wayne yesterday when someone asked him to
> explain his remarks.  He elaborated that his point was that we shouldn't
> need to have special protections for different groups.  We should hold
> ourselves to the standard of treating all people equally, which our
> Constitution already guarantees.  ****
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>  ****
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> While his quote in the paper makes him sound like an idiot (reporters have
> a way of doing this-context is SO important), I agree with the sentiment he
> attempted to express.  Why can't we work with the simple rule already
> expressed in our countries founding document: treat others with basic
> dignity and decency.  The guy is not nearly the troglodyte he is being made
> out to be.****
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> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com>
> wrote:****
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> Aside from its gross insensitivity and ignorance the remarks provide a
> revelation about Krauss's personal feelings and the lack of comment
> implying consent by the other semi-conscious officials present, this is
> part of a longer saga.****
>
> There is hardly a month that has gone by since he took office and made a
> fool of himself starting with his participation and remarks in the Hawkins
> scandal, that Wayne Krauss hasn't provided ample evidence of the long
> circulating characterization of him that as the former manager of the
> Goodyear store he was hit in the head too hard and too many times with a
> tire iron.****
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> w.****
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> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
> wrote:****
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> What a horse’s rear end Krauss continues to show himself to be.
> Disgusting.****
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> Here’s the article Roger Hayes referred to:****
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> Antidiscrimination ordinance vetted by committee****
>
> *By Brandon Macz, Daily News staff writer | Posted: Tuesday, February 26,
> 2013 12:00 am *****
>
> Considering an ordinance to make housing and job discrimination based on
> sexual orientation or gender identity a criminal offense in Moscow,
> Councilor Wayne Krauss asked City Attorney Randy Fife where demands for
> more protections would end.****
>
> *Krauss asked rhetorically whether someone bringing monkeys into a
> business and being refused service would require a discrimination ordinance
> for monkey owners. *****
>
> Fife laid out for the Administrative Committee on Monday details of his
> draft ordinance. Under the ordinance, an employer would not be allowed to
> refuse to hire or fire a person for their sexual orientation or gender
> identity, or to deny an employee advancement or training on that same
> basis. It would also prevent businesses from refusing to serve a person
> based on their sexual orientation or gender identity.****
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> On the housing side, refusal to sell, buy or rent property or to repair,
> maintain or improve it would also be prohibited if it were the result of
> such discrimination, Fife said.****
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> Exceptions include religious entities, other governments and agencies,
> boarding houses, private clubs or institutions and two-family dwellings,
> such as duplexes, where the property owner or a relative lives in one of
> the units.****
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> Krauss was curious about whether businesses, such as restaurants, which
> often display signs indicating their right to refuse service to anyone,
> could refuse to serve someone based on their sexual orientation or gender
> identity without disclosing that as the reason. Fife said if someone felt
> that was the reason for denial of service, they could file a complaint
> under the ordinance.****
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> "I hate any kind of bullying whatsoever, and discrimination is a form of
> bullying, in my mind," Krauss said.****
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> Krauss said he didn't like the idea of the city being forced to react to a
> continuous list of discriminatory grievances.****
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> "The question is, where does it stop?" Krauss said. "Why doesn't the 14th
> Amendment cover the whole darn thing?"****
>
> The amendment says "No State shall deny to any person within its
> jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."****
>
> Fife said he prepared the draft after reviewing laws already on the books
> in Sandpoint, Boise and Salt Lake City and said he favored Boise's. The
> proposed ordinance would fill a gap in the federal and state human rights
> acts.****
>
> Anyone believing themselves to be discriminated against because of their
> sexual orientation or gender identity would file a report with the Moscow
> Police Department, Fife said, which would conduct an investigation and file
> a report with the city prosecutor to validate whether the claim constitutes
> an offense under the ordinance.****
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> If so, mediation would be attempted between the two parties by the city
> attorney with the offender facing a misdemeanor if a resolution can't be
> met. If the defendant takes remediation steps, the penalty could be reduced
> to an infraction. Should both parties settle, the charge would be dismissed.
> ****
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> "You want compliance, not punishment. That's the goal," Fife said, adding
> the criminal process might do better in a separate council resolution.****
>
> Fife said pushes on the municipal level could force the issue in the Idaho
> Legislature, which has historically never passed an amendment to its human
> rights act covering sexual orientation and gender identity out of committee.
> ****
>
> "That's not going to happen, so we'll continue to legislate morality,"
> Krauss said.****
>
> The draft ordinance will be reviewed by the city's Fair and Affordable
> Housing and Human Rights commissions before returning to the Administrative
> Committee to forward the draft to the full council.****
>
> *More Well No. 9 problems*****
>
> Public Works Director Les MacDonald reported the recently reinstalled Well
> No. 9 pump and motor have to be removed again after testing Friday knocked
> out power to the well house. Once power was restored, a ground fault was
> detected, which means something is short-circuiting the electricity being
> channeled through the pump and motor, he said.****
>
> "It means we're in a different situation than before," MacDonald said.****
>
> The pump was shut down in June when it stopped functioning and the motor
> was sent to be repaired by Alstra Technologies in Tempe, Ariz. It was
> reinstalled in late September, but was shut down again when the electric
> current became too high and caused the protection unit to shut it down. The
> motor was returned to Alstra and the pump was analyzed by a Spokane company
> before both were tested by another manufacturer in Arizona.****
>
> The pump and motor were reinstalled in two weeks ago, but further testing
> in Moscow showed the electric current was still too high and a "whale song"
> noise occurred when it was reconnected to the system, MacDonald said.
> Following Friday's outage, he said removal of the pump and motor by crane
> began Monday and should be completed today. He added an outside consultant
> may need to be brought in to determine the city's next move. Well No. 9 can
> produce up to 40 percent of the city's water.****
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> *Brandon Macz* can be reached at (208) 882-5561, ext. 238, or by email to
> bmacz at dnews.com.****
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> And, here’s the letter to the editor Roger also referred to:****
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> *Basic human rights*****
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> *Posted: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:00 am *****
>
> Moscow City Councilor Wayne Krauss has implied that refusing service to
> monkey owners in a business setting is the same as denying fair housing and
> job rights to residents based on their sexual orientation or gender
> identity.****
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> As reported by Brandon Macz in "Antidiscrimination ordinance vetted," (*Daily
> News*, Feb. 26): "Krauss asked rhetorically whether someone bringing
> monkeys into a business and being refused service would require a
> discrimination ordinance for monkey owners."****
>
> You must be logged in with the proper services to print this article. ****
>
> Think about what he is really saying.****
>
> Also, according to Macz, Krauss questions "legislating morality." Yet
> Krauss is forcing his own "morality" on public legislation, denying basic
> human rights to a sector of the population that he is being paid to serve.
> ****
>
> Please, Krauss, apologize for what you said and rethink your stance.****
>
> *Lisa Kliger*****
>
> Moscow****
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> *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:
> vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] *On Behalf Of *Rosemary Huskey
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2013 8:50 AM
> *To:* rhayes at frontier.com; 'Moscow Vision 2020'
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Wayne Krauss****
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>  ****
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> I am gobsmacked about Wayne Krauss’ remarks.  Where did he make them?
> Thank you for letting 2020 readers know.****
>
> Rose Huskey****
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> *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [
> mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com <vision2020-bounces at moscow.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *rhayes at frontier.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2013 8:47 AM
> *To:* vision2020 at moscow.com
> *Subject:* [Vision2020] Wayne Krauss****
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> And yesterday Wayne Krauss was quoted that offering equal protection to
> all citizens including that of sexual identity and orientation to bringing
> monkeys to a restaurant and demanding service. ****
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> In this case crackpot... and a sad reflection on our city council. ****
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> For those with short memories:
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> On a scale of 0 to 10 where 10 is the easiest to be hornswoggled Carscalen
> and Krauss are clearly 10s based on how Hawkins and Mr. Slime Steed (acting
> in the conflicting roles of city council person and *defacto* agent of his
> longtime associates Hawkins) hornswoggled the council into the sweetheart
> deal with the now never to be Hawkins mall against the fundamental
> interests of Idaho citizens.
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> How do you choose a GOP leader? From the crackpots or the corrupt?
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