[Vision2020] Hmmm . . .& Oscar Pistorious

Paul Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
Wed Feb 20 10:15:52 PST 2013 

Isn't that a call that each of us should be free to make on our own?  Sure, accidents happen.  So do home invasions and violent crimes.  I am fully capable of weighing the risks of potential accident versus the likelihood of needing a gun completely on my own without government interference.  The equation is different for everyone.  I am cognizant of my responsibilities, and of the repercussions of my actions.  

The freedom to make my own decisions in life is something I cherish and that I hate to see thrown out because someone else has decided that they are in a better position to determine how I should choose to protect myself, my loved ones, and my property.

Paul




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 From: Nicholas Gier <ngier006 at gmail.com>
To: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> 
Cc: vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Hmmm . . .& Oscar Pistorious
 

Good Morning Visionaries:

As I pointed out in my ignored column, children and women are less safe in homes with guns, and gun suicide rates in the home are much higher than any other countries except some in Latin American and Swaziland.  Yes, Joe, the risks are far too high.

Oscar Pistorious' lover had locked herself in the bathroom, so it would have been difficult for him to use a knife to kill her.  Instead he unloaded his pistol through the door.  His defense is that he thought she was an intruder, even though her side of the bed was of course empty and there were no signs of illegal entry.  I don't think that many women lock themselves in their bathrooms unless they feel that they have been threatened.

Pistorious loved his guns and his motto for Nike ads was "I'm the bullet in the chamber."  Thank the goddess, Nike has pulled the ad but not his contract.  Sadly, machismo will continue to drive gun violence all over the world, but strict regulation has made a difference even in "mate"culture of Australia.  High time to turn in our Bushmaster "man" cards and throw them in an Aussie "waste tidy."


Yes, Joe, you are right that it is an empirically problem, but most conservatives don't care much for facts.

Nick


On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:

These are empirically claims. Could be that pulling out a gun increases your risk. It depends on a lot of factors.
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>The big question is: does the potential for help outweigh the risk of harm?
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>And I hate to tell you that in a region with a low incidence of gun violence, the answer is 'No.' Paul's weapons are more likely to cause him harm than they are to protect him.
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>On Feb 20, 2013, at 8:05 AM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com> wrote:
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>Once "he" becomes aware of said gun it becomes a powerful deterrent to staying in your house much less helping himself to your belongings or continued good health.
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>>g
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>>On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>This is what listening to pop music can do to you! 
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>>>Paul: If he's in your house, then the gun was not a deterrent.
>>>
>>>On Feb 20, 2013, at 6:12 AM, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>>But not in a judgmental way. I'm too busy singing to put anybody down.
>>>>
>>>>sr
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>________________________________
>>>>From: jampot at roadrunner.com
>>>>To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
>>>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Hmmm . . .
>>>>Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 06:02:11 -0800
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Now you're just monkeeing around.
>>>> 
>>>>g
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>>>>
>>>>From: Sunil Ramalingam 
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:07 PM
>>>>Cc: vision 2020 
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Hmmm . . .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The premise of your post was that he was breaking into homes when 
people were there. Now you're inventing his motive to kill you. No, if he saw 
your face, he'd be a believer, not a killer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sunil
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>>>>
>>>>________________________________
>>>> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 22:56:57 -0800
>>>>From: godshatter at yahoo.com
>>>>To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
>>>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>Subject: Re: 
[Vision2020] Hmmm . . .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It didn't say he was.  If he did, though, 
I'd want to be able to protect myself if he ran across me in a home he thought 
was empty and he got it through his head that I had to die because I'd seen his 
face.  Or maybe he's desperate, and now he's willing to try hitting a house 
that is occupied but looks like he could rob it regardless.
>>>>
>>>>It's a tool 
of preparedness.  I'd rather not assume that he's harmless if he's breaking 
into houses and robbing them.  If my assumption is wrong, I could 
die.  I'd rather not throw away my chance at survival because "OMG!  
Guns are bad!"
>>>>
>>>>It doesn't mean, by the way, that I'd just shoot this guy 
for breaking into my house.  But a loaded weapon is a good deterrent, and 
if it turns out my life is at stake, I'd rather have a gun than a shoe I could 
throw at him, or whatever I happened to have at hand.
>>>>
>>>>This isn't rocket 
science.  Be prepared.  It's the good old Boy Scout motto.   
I also have a smoke detector and a fire extinguisher.
>>>>
>>>>Don't let the "guns 
are killing our kids!" narrative drive your views.
>>>>
>>>>Paul
>>>>
>>>>On 
02/19/2013 10:43 PM, Sunil Ramalingam wrote:
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>>>>Paul,
>>>>>
>>>>>Where does it say he's breaking into homes when 
  people are in? I had a lot of burglary cases, and my mistakenly charged 
  clients were usually alleged to have entered homes when no one was there. Lots 
  easier to leave with stuff that way, said the 
authorities.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sunil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>________________________________
>>>>> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 19:02:25 -0800
>>>>>From: godshatter at yahoo.com
>>>>>To: thansen at moscow.com
>>>>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>Subject: Re: 
  [Vision2020] Hmmm . . .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>What's paranoid about locking up when you're 
  out and being ready to defend yourself when you're at home when there is a 
  known burglar in the area?  Being prepared is not the same thing as being 
  paranoid.  If someone is crazy enough to break into your home while you 
  are there, you can go ahead and classify that as a situation fraught with 
  danger, in which case having some means to protect yourself might be called 
  for.  There are plenty of reasonable scenarios where a would-be burglar 
  happens upon a member of the household when he thought the place was empty 
  that could end up very badly for the person he stumbled upon.  If the 
  burglar knew you were at home and invaded the home anyway, then you've 
  definitely got a problem if you are happily unarmed.
>>>>>
>>>>>Better to have 
  that gun when you need it than not.  If guns frighten you, which I find 
  hard to believe because of your military background, then at least pick up a 
  good aluminum baseball bat.
>>>>>
>>>>>Do you think I'm paranoid because I keep a 
  set of jumper cables in my trunk in case my battery dies and I need a jump 
  from a kind stranger?  Are you one of those people that joyously flit 
  from situation to situation relying on the gods to keep you out of 
  trouble?
>>>>>
>>>>>Paul
>>>>>
>>>>>On 02/19/2013 01:18 PM, Tom Hansen 
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>><ATT00001>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Paranoia . . . self-destroya.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Moscow Cares"
>>>>>>http://www.MoscowCares.com
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>Tom "Proud to be a Filthy Liberal Scum" Hansen
>>>>>>Moscow, Idaho
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"There's room at the top they are  telling you still But first you must learn how to smile as you  kill 
>>>>>>If you want to be like the folks on the  hill."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>- John Lennon
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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