[Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun factory
Gary Crabtree
moscowlocksmith at gmail.com
Sun Aug 25 20:49:37 PDT 2013
A thousand monkeys sitting at a thousand typewriters eventually yields a
Shakespearian play.
A single monkey at a single keyboard serves up "Yeah, what Sunil said." Sad.
g
On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com>wrote:
> And pole-dancing Casey Anthony didn't do it.
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
>
> On Aug 25, 2013, at 8:26 PM, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> The established facts show OJ didn't do it.
>
> Sunil
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 19:02:47 -0700
> From: moscowlocksmith at gmail.com
> To: donaldrose at cpcinternet.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun factory
>
> I don't know for sure what Mr. R's frame of mind might be but, were he to
> be feeling a case of mild to moderate vexation it would be easy to
> understand. Trying to have a discussion with folks who completely disregard
> the established facts in a case and substitute there own unsubstantiated,
> made up scenario created seemingly concocted from whole cloth and the
> sugarplums that dance in their heads would try anyone's patience. A few
> earthy expletives hardly seem out of place.
>
> g
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Rosemary Huskey <
> donaldrose at cpcinternet.com> wrote:
>
> Well, Paul, no one on earth likes strong Anglo Saxon words more than I do
> – but in your case, the undisguised rage in your last sentence seems to
> indicate an anger management issue that might is way out of proportion to
> the subject at hand and the general tone of the conversation. Take a deep
> breath and a walk around the block. It’s summertime and the living is easy
> . . . . or something like that.****
>
> Rose Huskey****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:
> vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Rumelhart
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 25, 2013 3:37 PM
> *To:* Scott Dredge
> *Cc:* viz
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun factory****
>
> ** **
>
>
> Bullshit. He was buying a home defense weapon. If there were death
> threats against me and mine, I would do the same. Besides, he was found
> not guilty. In a perfect world, he could whatever the fuck he wanted.
>
> Paul
>
> On 08/25/2013 02:53 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:****
>
> Based on photographic evidence, audio evidence, the measurable timeline,
> GZ's medical report, TM's autopsy report combined with corroborating
> witness testimony, it's difficult to draw any conclusion other than TM
> being on top of GZ and hitting him for at least 45 seconds prior to the
> fatal and only shot. GZ shouldn't have followed TM and should have stayed
> in his truck. TM shouldn't have attacked him. But TM did what he did and
> GZ did what he did, so here we are.
>
> This whole thing has already spun as a 'perfect storm'. And if GZ is
> going to do things like tour a Kel Tec factory, pose for photo ops, and let
> it be known he's interested in acquiring more fire power, he's putting
> himself, his family, and anyone around him in danger. His actions are
> tantamount to 'bring it on' taunting. Don't be surprised if someone takes
> the bait resulting in more tragedy. Don't be surprised if GZ blasts
> someone innocent that he mistakenly believes was coming after him. Don't
> be surprised when there is another dead body and GZ claims 'self defense'.
> ****
> ------------------------------
>
> From: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> To: godshatter at yahoo.com; philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 13:11:03 -0700
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun factory****
>
> He wasn't 'going out to call the police on criminal activity.' He could
> have called them from his home and stayed there. Why do you even saying
> that?
>
> He was out and about because he wanted to play the cop, and he had a gun.
> He could have stayed home with his gun, like he was told to do.
>
> You keep assuming his defense theory is true. It was effective, it led to
> the verdict, but that doesn't make it true.
>
> Sunil****
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 11:55:13 -0700
> From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> To: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun factory****
>
> Do you think that neighborhood watch programs are a bad thing? If you can
> posit for a moment that guns can come in handy for self-defense, then going
> out to call the police on criminal activity might be a time when you have a
> better chance of needing to protect yourself than when you are, say, just
> going to get groceries.****
>
> ** **
>
> If you think it wasn't self-defense, then why was Zimmerman doing his best
> to lead the cops to the encounter? Why were there no injuries on Martin
> consistent with an initial attack by Zimmerman? Do you think he shot him
> first? Then why did witnesses see them on the ground fighting? To me, it
> just doesn't add up.****
>
> ** **
>
> Paul****
>
> ** **
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com><philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> *To:* Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>;
> viz <vision2020 at moscow.com> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:26 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun factory****
>
> ** **
>
> "... he thought he was going to die and defended himself." First, the only
> evidence you have for this is that Zimmerman said it was so. There were no
> witnesses to corroborate this. We don't know what happened. My
> interpretation of the results of the trial is that there was no reason to
> disbelieve Zimmerman, so no reason to find him guilty. That does not mean
> that we should believe him. There is no reason to believe him either. The
> fact is we don't know what happened in those moments prior to the shooting.
>
> Second, Zimmerman was out looking for "criminals" like some want-a-be cop,
> stalked a suspected criminal who turned out to be a boy, called to report
> it and was advised to stop but didn't do so, got out of his car to follow
> the "suspect," then (supposedly) shot the boy because he feared for his
> life.
>
> I'm sorry but if you are not a cop and you leave your house with a gun
> pretending to "protect" your neighborhood, my sympathy level will drop
> dramatically should something go wrong. ****
>
> Zimmerman's actions do not sound like self-defense to me. I am not warped
> by the mainstream media. In fact, I think this is just another example of
> how fear and guns together are more likely to lead to a bad outcome than a
> good one. Incidents like this are precisely why we need gun control. Some
> people are just not smart enough to know how to use guns with the required
> safety and care. The Zimmerman case proves that. ****
>
> And saying that folks are dupes just because they happen to share some of
> the views of the mainstream media is no different from saying that you are
> a racist just because you happen to share some of the views of racists.***
> *
>
> ** **
>
> On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> wrote:****
>
>
> I'm not supporting Zimmerman. I'm just dismayed by the attitudes people
> have towards him based on nothing but wishful thinking, as far as I can
> see. These attitudes are shared across the country, and is making life for
> this man dangerous. All because he thought he was going to die and
> defended himself. His bad luck that he did so at a time when guns are the
> new boogieman, and that his attacker didn't have the common sense to be a
> white male.
>
> It's really how quickly and absolutely this narrative I keep talking about
> solidified that scares the ever-living crap out of me. It means the main
> stream media is still king, and that your average American still just soaks
> it right up apparently uncritically.
>
> Oh, and I don't plan to shut up, thank you anyway.
>
> Paul ****
>
>
>
> On 08/25/2013 08:39 AM, Joe Campbell wrote:****
>
> Of course I don't condone the bounty, or death threats. It is still a
> mystery to me why you keep condoning Zimmerman. If you want folks to stop
> talking about him, why don't you start us off? Really, I only post on that
> guy when you or others try to defend him, or act shocked about the public
> outrage. Otherwise, I don't really think about him much.****
>
> ** **
>
> On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> wrote:****
>
>
> You're right. He should look properly chastened at all times so as not to
> offend people like yourself. I bet he was laughing at a joke! The bastard.
>
> I will admit that if he was thinking in terms of PR, then staging a
> photoshoot at a gun store was not the brightest move. I suspect, though,
> that he can't move three feet in public without some self-righteous a-hole
> tracking his every move and taking his picture. It won't last long,
> though. They'll get him in civil court soon where the threshold for
> evidence is not so high.
>
> While we're on the subject, does anyone out there in viz-land condone the
> bounty put on him by the New Black Panther Party? Does anyone condemn it?
> How about the multiple death threats he and his family have been getting?
> I normally wouldn't ask this, but the reactions here to this case have so
> disappointed me that I just have to.
>
> Paul ****
>
>
>
> On 08/24/2013 10:16 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:****
>
> I think it's STUPID of Zimmerman to be cheesing it up for photos while
> touring a gun factory. I was seeing shades that idiot president of CA fish
> and game who bagged a mountain lion in Idaho and went on the cover of some
> magazine beaming while holding the dead carcass.
>
> FWIW - I disagree that Zimmerman was hunting Martin, but nonetheless he
> did fatally shoot him and this type of behavior is quite the opposite of
> being remorseful. But hey, if he wants to stay around Florida and make
> himself visible while there's a bounty on his head, that's certainly his
> choice and likely another bad choice in a growing list.****
> ------------------------------
>
> CC: scooterd408 at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> From: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun factory
> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:30:05 -0700
> To: godshatter at yahoo.com****
>
> I said it was closer to hunting than self defense. It was. And Martin was
> a kid; Zimmerman was not. And Martin is dead. Maybe that is why no one is
> blaming him. ****
>
> ** **
>
> Did Martin make a mistake? Apparently -- but really we don't know that any
> more than we know why Zimmerman did what he did. But Martin paid a hefty
> price for his mistake. Zimmerman did not. That's why folks are upset.****
>
>
> On Aug 24, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:*
> ***
>
>
> That's the narrative I'm talking about. It completely ignores Trayvon
> Martin's own actions that helped lead to his death and it exaggerates
> George Zimmerman's actions. Following someone down a sidewalk is not the
> same as "hunting" a person. We have exactly zero evidence that Zimmerman
> followed Martin in order to kill him.
>
> But have fun with the narrative. If you happen across Zimmerman, get in a
> few licks for the rest of us.
>
> Paul
>
> On 08/24/2013 05:44 PM, Joe Campbell wrote:****
>
> Goes against the narrative? The guy stalked a kid, against the advice of a
> 911 operator, and ended up killing him. ****
>
> ** **
>
> Honestly, I just don't get it. Stalking and shooting is a lot closer to
> hunting than self-defense. Why is that so difficult for you to see?****
>
>
> On Aug 24, 2013, at 5:11 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:*
> ***
>
>
> Well, he and his family do get death threats regularly:
> http://globalgrind.com/2013/08/03/robert-zimmerman-reveals-family-400-death-threats-per-minute-starbucks-employee-george-trayvon-martin-details/
>
> And there is a $10,000 bounty put on Zimmerman for his capture by the New
> Black Panther Party:
> http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/07/19/Black-Panthers-2012-video-for-Zimmerman-bounty-resurfaces/3711374236844/
>
> So maybe he is in need of a good home-defense weapon.
>
> Of course, progressives are not allowed to feel bad about that because it
> goes against the narrative. Pity, one could almost feel bad for a guy who
> is reviled on the national stage for protecting himself from getting his
> ass beat, whether or not it was his own stupidity that got him there.
>
> Oh, well. It's much easier to think of him as a monster.
>
> Paul
>
> On 08/24/2013 03:29 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:****
>
> http://www.mediaite.com/online/george-zimmerman-went-gun-shopping-today/
>
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