[Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun factory
Gary Crabtree
moscowlocksmith at gmail.com
Sun Aug 25 19:28:12 PDT 2013
A wise old Irish proverb observes "When an idiot inflicts advise unasked,
smile charitably and think on the amount of effort the buffoon invested
in the effort."
g
On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com>wrote:
> Just a suggestion, g, but . . .
>
> Go toward the light
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
>
> On Aug 25, 2013, at 7:02 PM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I don't know for sure what Mr. R's frame of mind might be but, were he to
> be feeling a case of mild to moderate vexation it would be easy to
> understand. Trying to have a discussion with folks who completely disregard
> the established facts in a case and substitute there own unsubstantiated,
> made up scenario created seemingly concocted from whole cloth and the
> sugarplums that dance in their heads would try anyone's patience. A few
> earthy expletives hardly seem out of place.
>
> g
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Rosemary Huskey <
> donaldrose at cpcinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, Paul, no one on earth likes strong Anglo Saxon words more than I do
>> – but in your case, the undisguised rage in your last sentence seems to
>> indicate an anger management issue that might is way out of proportion to
>> the subject at hand and the general tone of the conversation. Take a deep
>> breath and a walk around the block. It’s summertime and the living is easy
>> . . . . or something like that.****
>>
>> Rose Huskey****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:
>> vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Rumelhart
>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 25, 2013 3:37 PM
>> *To:* Scott Dredge
>> *Cc:* viz
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun factory****
>>
>> ** **
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>>
>> Bullshit. He was buying a home defense weapon. If there were death
>> threats against me and mine, I would do the same. Besides, he was found
>> not guilty. In a perfect world, he could whatever the fuck he wanted.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On 08/25/2013 02:53 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:****
>>
>> Based on photographic evidence, audio evidence, the measurable timeline,
>> GZ's medical report, TM's autopsy report combined with corroborating
>> witness testimony, it's difficult to draw any conclusion other than TM
>> being on top of GZ and hitting him for at least 45 seconds prior to the
>> fatal and only shot. GZ shouldn't have followed TM and should have stayed
>> in his truck. TM shouldn't have attacked him. But TM did what he did and
>> GZ did what he did, so here we are.
>>
>> This whole thing has already spun as a 'perfect storm'. And if GZ is
>> going to do things like tour a Kel Tec factory, pose for photo ops, and let
>> it be known he's interested in acquiring more fire power, he's putting
>> himself, his family, and anyone around him in danger. His actions are
>> tantamount to 'bring it on' taunting. Don't be surprised if someone takes
>> the bait resulting in more tragedy. Don't be surprised if GZ blasts
>> someone innocent that he mistakenly believes was coming after him. Don't
>> be surprised when there is another dead body and GZ claims 'self defense'.
>> ****
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> From: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
>> To: godshatter at yahoo.com; philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 13:11:03 -0700
>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun factory****
>>
>> He wasn't 'going out to call the police on criminal activity.' He could
>> have called them from his home and stayed there. Why do you even saying
>> that?
>>
>> He was out and about because he wanted to play the cop, and he had a gun.
>> He could have stayed home with his gun, like he was told to do.
>>
>> You keep assuming his defense theory is true. It was effective, it led to
>> the verdict, but that doesn't make it true.
>>
>> Sunil****
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 11:55:13 -0700
>> From: godshatter at yahoo.com
>> To: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun factory****
>>
>> Do you think that neighborhood watch programs are a bad thing? If you
>> can posit for a moment that guns can come in handy for self-defense, then
>> going out to call the police on criminal activity might be a time when you
>> have a better chance of needing to protect yourself than when you are, say,
>> just going to get groceries.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> If you think it wasn't self-defense, then why was Zimmerman doing his
>> best to lead the cops to the encounter? Why were there no injuries on
>> Martin consistent with an initial attack by Zimmerman? Do you think he
>> shot him first? Then why did witnesses see them on the ground fighting?
>> To me, it just doesn't add up.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Paul****
>>
>> ** **
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com><philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>> *To:* Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>> *Cc:* Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>;
>> viz <vision2020 at moscow.com> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:26 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun factory****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> "... he thought he was going to die and defended himself." First, the
>> only evidence you have for this is that Zimmerman said it was so. There
>> were no witnesses to corroborate this. We don't know what happened. My
>> interpretation of the results of the trial is that there was no reason to
>> disbelieve Zimmerman, so no reason to find him guilty. That does not mean
>> that we should believe him. There is no reason to believe him either. The
>> fact is we don't know what happened in those moments prior to the shooting.
>>
>> Second, Zimmerman was out looking for "criminals" like some want-a-be
>> cop, stalked a suspected criminal who turned out to be a boy, called to
>> report it and was advised to stop but didn't do so, got out of his car to
>> follow the "suspect," then (supposedly) shot the boy because he feared for
>> his life.
>>
>> I'm sorry but if you are not a cop and you leave your house with a gun
>> pretending to "protect" your neighborhood, my sympathy level will drop
>> dramatically should something go wrong. ****
>>
>> Zimmerman's actions do not sound like self-defense to me. I am not warped
>> by the mainstream media. In fact, I think this is just another example of
>> how fear and guns together are more likely to lead to a bad outcome than a
>> good one. Incidents like this are precisely why we need gun control. Some
>> people are just not smart enough to know how to use guns with the required
>> safety and care. The Zimmerman case proves that. ****
>>
>> And saying that folks are dupes just because they happen to share some of
>> the views of the mainstream media is no different from saying that you are
>> a racist just because you happen to share some of the views of racists.**
>> **
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>> ** **
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>> On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:****
>>
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>> I'm not supporting Zimmerman. I'm just dismayed by the attitudes people
>> have towards him based on nothing but wishful thinking, as far as I can
>> see. These attitudes are shared across the country, and is making life for
>> this man dangerous. All because he thought he was going to die and
>> defended himself. His bad luck that he did so at a time when guns are the
>> new boogieman, and that his attacker didn't have the common sense to be a
>> white male.
>>
>> It's really how quickly and absolutely this narrative I keep talking
>> about solidified that scares the ever-living crap out of me. It means the
>> main stream media is still king, and that your average American still just
>> soaks it right up apparently uncritically.
>>
>> Oh, and I don't plan to shut up, thank you anyway.
>>
>> Paul ****
>>
>>
>>
>> On 08/25/2013 08:39 AM, Joe Campbell wrote:****
>>
>> Of course I don't condone the bounty, or death threats. It is still a
>> mystery to me why you keep condoning Zimmerman. If you want folks to stop
>> talking about him, why don't you start us off? Really, I only post on that
>> guy when you or others try to defend him, or act shocked about the public
>> outrage. Otherwise, I don't really think about him much.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:****
>>
>>
>> You're right. He should look properly chastened at all times so as not
>> to offend people like yourself. I bet he was laughing at a joke! The
>> bastard.
>>
>> I will admit that if he was thinking in terms of PR, then staging a
>> photoshoot at a gun store was not the brightest move. I suspect, though,
>> that he can't move three feet in public without some self-righteous a-hole
>> tracking his every move and taking his picture. It won't last long,
>> though. They'll get him in civil court soon where the threshold for
>> evidence is not so high.
>>
>> While we're on the subject, does anyone out there in viz-land condone the
>> bounty put on him by the New Black Panther Party? Does anyone condemn it?
>> How about the multiple death threats he and his family have been getting?
>> I normally wouldn't ask this, but the reactions here to this case have so
>> disappointed me that I just have to.
>>
>> Paul ****
>>
>>
>>
>> On 08/24/2013 10:16 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:****
>>
>> I think it's STUPID of Zimmerman to be cheesing it up for photos while
>> touring a gun factory. I was seeing shades that idiot president of CA fish
>> and game who bagged a mountain lion in Idaho and went on the cover of some
>> magazine beaming while holding the dead carcass.
>>
>> FWIW - I disagree that Zimmerman was hunting Martin, but nonetheless he
>> did fatally shoot him and this type of behavior is quite the opposite of
>> being remorseful. But hey, if he wants to stay around Florida and make
>> himself visible while there's a bounty on his head, that's certainly his
>> choice and likely another bad choice in a growing list.****
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> CC: scooterd408 at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>> From: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun factory
>> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:30:05 -0700
>> To: godshatter at yahoo.com****
>>
>> I said it was closer to hunting than self defense. It was. And Martin was
>> a kid; Zimmerman was not. And Martin is dead. Maybe that is why no one is
>> blaming him. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Did Martin make a mistake? Apparently -- but really we don't know that
>> any more than we know why Zimmerman did what he did. But Martin paid a
>> hefty price for his mistake. Zimmerman did not. That's why folks are upset.
>> ****
>>
>>
>> On Aug 24, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> ****
>>
>>
>> That's the narrative I'm talking about. It completely ignores Trayvon
>> Martin's own actions that helped lead to his death and it exaggerates
>> George Zimmerman's actions. Following someone down a sidewalk is not the
>> same as "hunting" a person. We have exactly zero evidence that Zimmerman
>> followed Martin in order to kill him.
>>
>> But have fun with the narrative. If you happen across Zimmerman, get in
>> a few licks for the rest of us.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On 08/24/2013 05:44 PM, Joe Campbell wrote:****
>>
>> Goes against the narrative? The guy stalked a kid, against the advice of
>> a 911 operator, and ended up killing him. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Honestly, I just don't get it. Stalking and shooting is a lot closer to
>> hunting than self-defense. Why is that so difficult for you to see?****
>>
>>
>> On Aug 24, 2013, at 5:11 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> ****
>>
>>
>> Well, he and his family do get death threats regularly:
>> http://globalgrind.com/2013/08/03/robert-zimmerman-reveals-family-400-death-threats-per-minute-starbucks-employee-george-trayvon-martin-details/
>>
>> And there is a $10,000 bounty put on Zimmerman for his capture by the New
>> Black Panther Party:
>> http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/07/19/Black-Panthers-2012-video-for-Zimmerman-bounty-resurfaces/3711374236844/
>>
>> So maybe he is in need of a good home-defense weapon.
>>
>> Of course, progressives are not allowed to feel bad about that because it
>> goes against the narrative. Pity, one could almost feel bad for a guy who
>> is reviled on the national stage for protecting himself from getting his
>> ass beat, whether or not it was his own stupidity that got him there.
>>
>> Oh, well. It's much easier to think of him as a monster.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On 08/24/2013 03:29 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:****
>>
>> http://www.mediaite.com/online/george-zimmerman-went-gun-shopping-today/
>>
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