[Vision2020] Are you REALLY a libertarian?

[Joe Campbell]

Which would you keep and why?

On Aug 24, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:

> What is it then? Which 
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> On Aug 24, 2013, at 1:48 PM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
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>> Nick
>> I don't think that any Libertarian wants to get rid of all government programs. Libertarian is not synonomus with Anarchist.
>> Roger
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>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Are you REALLY a libertarian?
>> From: "Nicholas Gier" 
>> To: "Paul Rumelhart" 
>> Date: 08/24/13 08:29:22
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>> Hi Paul,
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>> Do you really want to get rid of all federal programs? You are talking Tea Party when you claim to know what the Constitution means, just as fundamentalists claim to know what God's will is. 
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>> Perhaps you have forgotten that for over 200 years the Supreme Court, not individuals with their own private interpretations, has determined the meaning of the Constitution, and so far, very few federal programs have been declared unconstitutional.
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>> Just recently "activist" conservatives on the Court ruled that corporations are persons, something that the founders certainly did not intend. Some much for the phony theory of "originalism." The Constitution is obviously a "living" document.
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>> Please clarify your own definition of libertarianism and how it differs from the Tea Party folks.
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>> Nick
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>> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> In what way does Libertarianism "strip the people of the right to determine their own form of government and the society they wish to live in"? You still vote the same way, the rules of Congress are the same, etc. Libertarians are for reducing the size of government back to what is specified in the Constitution, leaving the rest to the states or the individual. Is that what you are referring to?
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>>> Paul
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>>> From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>>> To: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>; Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>>> Cc: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 9:44 AM
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>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Are you REALLY a libertarian?
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>>> My objection to Libertarianism is that it strips the people of the right to determine their own form of government and the society they wish to live in.  It removes using the government as a means to solve a problem when it may at times be the best or least costly solution.
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>>> Donovan J. Arnold
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>>> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>>> To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>>> Cc: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Are you REALLY a libertarian?
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>>> My opposition to libertarianism stems from my adherence to social contract theory. We agree to uphold the laws of a particular society in exchange for security. And vice versa: no security, no adherence to the law. 
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>>> Social programs are justified from a purely pragmatic point of view. Thus, libertarianism is false.
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>>> On Aug 22, 2013, at 8:47 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>> I agree with this. Let's keep the brand name clean, so it doesn't get taken over like the original Tea Party did.
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>>>> I do see a lot of pushback to Libertarianism by both Democrats and Republicans, which makes me think they're on the right track.
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>>>> Paul
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>>>> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>>>> To: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 5:19 PM
>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Are you REALLY a libertarian?
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>>>>  http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/08/30/773243/-Top-10-Signs-You-Might-Not-Be-A-Libertarian?detail=facebook#
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