[Vision2020] Immigration Reform: Path to citizenship won't be easy

Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Fri Aug 23 11:53:28 PDT 2013

If someone can prove that they would be a US citizen if the US government didn't act unconstitutionally, should they not also be granted US citizenship?
Shouldn't DNA be documentation that someone is from an area? If the US government
illegally removed a woman from the country, because she was not white, and she
gave birth to her child outside the country as a result, should that child not
be grantedthe citizenship they were wrongfully and illegally denied? If
we want people to respect the law, shouldn't we also follow it, and correct
crimes against people before we insist on its legitimacy and enforcement? Seems
highly hypocritical to selectively enforce and obey laws that suit ourselves
while demanding others follow all of it. Should a Spokane Indian have to prove
he is a from Spokane?
Then why should a Mexican have to prove he is from what was Mexico? Natives
have more of a right to a land then we do, as they are of the soil which we
stand. And the resources that we reap from it are there only because of their
constant caretaking of it before we stole it.  
Donovan J. Arnold

 From: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
To: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>; viz <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Immigration Reform: Path to citizenship won't be easy

True enough, a 'path to citizenship' need to have a path leading to citizenship otherwise it's just a sound bite used for political points and has no real teeth to it.

It's not really my 'position', it's more my 'understanding' (or maybe lack thereof) regarding citizenship and immigration laws.  AFAIK, children born on US soil to undocumented parents are US citizens.  I don't take issue with this, it's specified by the 14th amendment.  Anyone who does take issue with it can file a lawsuit and have the Supreme Court widen or narrow the interpretation based upon the ideological makeup of the court.

Anyone not born a US citizen would need to follow the proper legal process in or order to become a naturalized US citizen if they wanted US citizenship.  There's no question that US immigration law is convoluted, complicated, and time consuming.  But anyone not following the process, won't obtain citizenship except maybe in extreme circumstances.

And as screwed up as immigration policy is presently, the issue on the table now seems to be very focused on simply / difficultly getting those who are 'undocumented' to be 'documented'.  And then once documented, they are in the system and from there they can start the long and arduous path towards citizenship if they have the will,  stamina, stomach, finances, support, etc. to do so.


Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 09:32:03 -0700
From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Immigration Reform: Path to citizenship won't be easy
To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com

In order to
call something "The Path to Citizenship" it must actually be a path
that leads to citizenship. 
If I understand the
position of Scott Dredge correctly, he believes that the only way a hard
working and contributing Mexican to the US economy can be a citizen in the
land his ancestors have occupied for thousands of years, is by appealing to the
United States Government and waiting 20 to 30 years. This even though he or she
is not already a citizen only because the United States Government for two
hundred years, violated its own Constitution and treaties, violated
international law, and ignored federal law, to acquire their ancestral lands
and resources through the use of illegal violence of war, rape, murder, and
physical force to leave their lands. On the other hand, if you are
white, and were simply born in the USA,
your path to citizenship was a slide down your mother's birth canal, you are
deemed worthy of US
citizenship, even if all you have ever down was collect food stamps, welfare
and never worked a day in your life. 
Sounds likes like a
twisted logic to me. 
Donovan J. Arnold


 From: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
To: viz <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 4:07 PM
Subject: [Vision2020] Immigration Reform: Path to citizenship won't be easy

The Path to Citizenship doesn't address the root of the problem which is how do you force citizenship on people who don't want it?  It's almost as difficult as trying force democracy on the Iraqis.


"It's certainly not a bill that we would have written ourselves,'' said 
Laura Vazquez, a legislative analyst at the National Council of La Raza,
 who nevertheless said it "makes significant improvements to our broken 
immigration system. "

"The ultimate goal of the legislation we believe is to get as many 
people to move from undocumented status into a path to citizenship,'' 
Vazquez said. "That has to be met by having a process that is real and 

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