[Vision2020] How many more times . . .

Wed Aug 21 15:42:52 PDT 2013

I would have to think that going to a school with the intent of killing
students is prima facie evidence of being disturbed.
It makes no difference what weapon of choice is, a desire to kill kids is
anything but normal.

g

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:

> Are you suggesting that EVERY person that committed crimes, or is going to
> commit crimes, with an assault rifle is/was disturbed?
>
> There is absolutely no evidence that the inividual in question is/was
> disturbed.
>
> I can see that this discussion is quickly degenerating, so I'll just . . .
> <click>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 21, 2013, at 3:17 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Do you think it was the assault rifle that drove this man to do what he
> did, and without it he wouldn't have done anything at all?
>
> That's a serious question.
>
> Paul
>
>
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> *To:* Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>; Jeanne McHale <
> jeannemchale at hotmail.com>; Fritz Knorr <fritzknorr at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:10 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] How many more times . . .
>
> Or we could avoid giving them assault rifles, thus preventing "people
> like this from doing what they are doing".
>
> 'Nuff said.
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
>
> On Aug 21, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> We could also try to figure out why people like this are doing what they
> are doing and come up with a solution ASAP.
>
> Besides, why single out assault rifles?  According to this article (
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/16/murders-shootings-and-gun-sales-per-day_n_2488664.html),
> if today was an average day then there were 30 gun-related murders, 162
> people wounded by firearms, and 53 suicides involving a firearm.  Most of
> them involving handguns.  Why do those numbers not instill the same passion
> that assault rifles do?
>
> Paul
>
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>  *From:* Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> *To:* Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>; Jeanne McHale <
> jeannemchale at hotmail.com>; Fritz Knorr <fritzknorr at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 21, 2013 2:53 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] How many more times . . .
>
> It's quite simple (and humane), Mr. Rumelhart.
>
> We can either . . .
>
> - Terminate the sale of assault rifles, or
>
> - Continue selling assault rifles and hope nobody gets hurt or killed . .
> . next time.
>
> Now, Mr. Rumelhart, which of these two options is more proactive and
> humane than the other?
>
> Sidebar:  I understand that a group has reserved the County Fairgrounds
> this weekend so they can show-off and let others play with their . . . guns.
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 21, 2013, at 2:35 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Where did that come from, Mr. Hansen?
>
> Paul
>
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> *To:* Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>; Jeanne McHale <
> jeannemchale at hotmail.com>; Fritz Knorr <fritzknorr at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 21, 2013 2:14 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] How many more times . . .
>
> Why be proactive and control the sale of assault rifles, when all we
> really need to do is to bury the bodies of the innocents, right Mr.
> Rumelhart?
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
>
> On Aug 21, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Sounds like a disturbed individual.  I'm glad no one was hurt.
>
> Paul
>
>
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> *To:* Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Cc:* Jeanne McHale <jeannemchale at hotmail.com>; Fritz Knorr <
> fritzknorr at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:17 PM
> *Subject:* [Vision2020] How many more times . . .
>
> “'I don’t know how this could happen at this school,' Zamora said.
> 'There’s so much security.'"
>
> Courtesy of Time at:
>
>
> http://nation.time.com/2013/08/20/official-suspect-in-custody-at-georgia-school/print/
>
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>
> 20-Year-Old Charged in Ga. School Shooting
>
> (DECATUR, Ga.) — A man with an assault rifle and other weapons exchanged
> gunfire with officers Tuesday at an Atlanta-area elementary school before
> surrendering, a police chief said, with dramatic overhead television
> footage capturing the young students racing out of the building, being
> escorted by teachers and police to safety. No one was injured.
>
> Just a week into the new school year, more than 800 students in
> pre-kindergarten to fifth grade were evacuated from Ronald E. McNair
> Discovery Learning Academy in Decatur, a few miles east of Atlanta. They
> sat outside along a fence in a field for a time until school buses came to
> take them to their waiting parents and other relatives at a nearby Wal-Mart.
>
> When the first bus arrived about three hours after the shooting, cheers
> erupted in the store parking lot from relieved relatives, several of them
> sobbing.
> The suspect, identified later as 20-year-old Michael Brandon Hill, fired
> at least a half-dozen shots from the rifle from inside McNair at officers
> who were swarming the campus outside, the chief said. Officers returned
> fire when the man was alone and they had a clear shot, DeKalb County Police
> Chief Cedric L. Alexander said at a news conference. Hill surrendered
> shortly after and several weapons were found, though it wasn’t clear how
> many, Alexander said. Police had no motive.
> Though the school has a system where visitors must be buzzed in by staff,
> the gunman may have slipped inside behind someone authorized to be there,
> Alexander said. The suspect, who had no clear ties to the school, never got
> past the front office, where he held one or two employees captive for a
> time, the chief said. Hill is charged with aggravated assault on a police
> officer, terroristic threats and possession of a firearm by a convicted
> felon.
> A woman in the office called WSB-TV to say the gunman asked her to contact
> the Atlanta station and police. WSB said during the call, shots were heard
> in the background. Assignment editor Lacey Lecroy said she spoke with the
> woman who said she was alone with the man and his gun was visible.
> “It didn’t take long to know that this woman was serious,” Lecroy said.
> “Shots were one of the last things I heard. I was so worried for her.”
> School clerk Antoinette Tuff in an interview on ABC’s “World News with
> Diane Sawyer” said she worked to convince the gunman to put down his
> weapons and ammunition.
> “He told me he was sorry for what he was doing. He was willing to die,”
> Tuff told ABC.
> She told him her life story, about how her marriage fell apart after 33
> years and the “roller coaster” of opening her own business.
> “I told him, ‘OK, we all have situations in our lives,” she said. “It was
> going to be OK. If I could recover, he could, too.”
> Then Tuff said she asked the suspect to put his weapons down, empty his
> pockets and backpack on the floor.
> “I told the police he was giving himself up. I just talked him through
> it,” she said.
> DeKalb County Schools Superintendent Michael Thurmond praised faculty and
> authorities who got the young students to safety, staying calm and
> following plans in place. All teachers and students made it out of the
> school unharmed.
> “It’s a blessed day, all of our children are safe,” Thurmond said at the
> news conference. “This was a highly professional response on the ground by
> DeKalb County employees assisted by law enforcement.”
> School volunteer Debra Hayes said she encountered the suspect without
> knowing it.
> She stopped by the office at the end of her shift and saw a man talking to
> a secretary but she did not see a gun.
> “I heard him say, ‘I’m not here to harm any staff or any parents or
> students. He said he wanted to speak to a police officer.”
> “By the time I got to 2nd Avenue, I heard gunshots,” she said.
> Complicating the rescue, bomb-sniffing dogs alerted officers to something
> in the suspect’s trunk and investigators believe the man may have been
> carrying explosives, Alexander said. Officials cut a hole in a fence to
> make sure students running from the building could get even farther away to
> a nearby street, he said. SWAT teams then went from classroom to classroom
> to make sure people were out.
> Police had strung yellow tape up blocking intersections near the school
> while children waited to be taken to Wal-Mart where hundreds of people were
> anticipating their arrival. The crowd waved from behind yellow police tape
> as buses packed with children started pulling up along the road at the
> store. The smiling children waved back.
> Regional superintendent Rachel Zeigler used a megaphone to say children
> were organized on the buses by grade level and that each bus would also be
> carrying an administrator, a teacher and a Georgia Bureau of Investigation
> officer. Relatives had to show ID, sign each child out and have their photo
> taken.
> The school has about 870 children enrolled. The academy is named after
> McNair, an astronaut who died when the space shuttle Challenger exploded on
> Jan. 28, 1986, according to the school’s website.
> Jonessia White, the mother of a kindergartner, said the school’s doors are
> normally locked.
> “I took (my son) to school this morning and had to be buzzed in,” she
> said. “So I’m wondering how the guy got in the door.”
> Jackie Zamora, 61, of Decatur, was at the Wal-Mart waiting and said her
> 6-year-old grandson was inside the school when the shooting was reported
> and she panicked for more than an hour because she hadn’t heard whether or
> not anyone had been injured.
> Since shootings in classrooms all over the country, the massacre at
> Connecticut’s Sandy Hook Elementary being the freshest in people’s minds,
> schools have implemented security from metal detectors to armed guards.
> McNair had its own safety precautions.
> White said the school has a set of double doors where visitors must be
> buzzed in and show identification to a camera to be allowed in.
> “I don’t know how this could happen at this school,” Zamora said. “There’s
> so much security.”
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>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
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