[Vision2020] paranoia

Fri Apr 19 10:47:18 PDT 2013

I really don't think it is appropriate to turn this tragedy into a gun rally. I guess that's why folks think the pro-gun folks go around waving their weapons, because they kind of do, whether literally or figuratively.  

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I heard it on NPR this morning driving in to work.? A quick search came up with this: http://www.eturbonews.com/34417/greater-boston-lock-down-largest-manhunt-chechnya-terrorist-us-h

Sorry, I got it wrong.? It was "don't open the door, stay in your home, stay away from windows".

Paul

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From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> 
Cc: "rhayes at frontier.com" <rhayes at frontier.com>; "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Paranoia

I have been following this since 3 this morning.

I do not recall EVER hearing the suggestion by law enforcement that citizens of Watertown to "stay away from doors and windows".

Care to share a link that substantiates you claim. ? Or is this simply a matter of your own paranoia working overtime?

Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .

"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
http://www.moscowcares.com/
??
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"There's room at the top they are telling you still?But first you must learn how to smile as you kill?
If you want to be like the folks on the hill."

- John Lennon

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On Apr 19, 2013, at 9:28 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:

Parts of the city on lockdown, a mad bomber on the loose, a militarized police response, you're told to stay inside away from doors and windows, and you don't think that's a good enough reason to have a gun on you?!?
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>Mind you, I'm not the one that brought up the "run around waving the gun and take them down yourself vigilante-style!" scenario.? I forget that gun control proponents, for some odd reason, think that if you have a gun near you then you *must* wave it around and start shooting people.
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>Paul
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> From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
>To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> 
>Cc: "rhayes at frontier.com" <rhayes at frontier.com>; "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
>Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:17 AM
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>I will admit, Mr. Rumelhart . . .
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>There are instances "where a person having a gun with them for self-defense is justified".
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>This isn't one of them.
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>Arming one's self, like abortion, must be considered as a FINAL option/choice. ?The police have enough to be concerned.
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>Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
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>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>http://www.moscowcares.com/
>??
>Tom Hansen
>Moscow, Idaho
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>"There's room at the top they are telling you still?But first you must learn how to smile as you kill?
>If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
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>- John Lennon
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>On Apr 19, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>Wow.? Can any of you brave individuals think of any scenario, whatsoever, where a person having a gun with them for self-defense is justified?
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>>Paul
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>>Yes, and I am quite certain law enforcement would appreciate a bunch of armed vigilantes to deal with on top of the problems they already have. ?
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>>Gun nuts = numb nuts
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:06:24 -0700
From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
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    "rhayes at frontier.com" <rhayes at frontier.com>
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As I have reflected in the past . . .

My father was a police officer with the Los Angeles Police Department for 36 years.

He walked beats ranging from Sherman Oaks community festivals in the mid-50s to riot control in Lynnwood during the Watts riot in '65 . . . and virtually everything in between.

The one type of call he feared responding to was a "domestic violence" call.  He never knew what would be waiting for him when he responded.  Sometimes it amounted to no more than a drunk husband/wife throwing property around.  Sometimes, a lot worse.

Ensuring that everybody has easy, unaccountable (no background checks) access to firearms does not make responding to such a call any easier.

Thanks to 46 U.S. senators accountability remains a characteristic not associated with gun sales.

Now, if you'll excuse my, I must renew the vehicle registration of Rodna's Ford Fushion.  It's the law, ya know!

Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .

"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
http://www.moscowcares.com/

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"There's room at the top they are telling you still 
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill 
If you want to be like the folks on the hill."

- John Lennon

On Apr 19, 2013, at 9:50 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I heard it on NPR this morning driving in to work.  A quick search came up with this: http://www.eturbonews.com/34417/greater-boston-lock-down-largest-manhunt-chechnya-terrorist-us-h
> 
> Sorry, I got it wrong.  It was "don't open the door, stay in your home, stay away from windows".
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> 
> Cc: "rhayes at frontier.com" <rhayes at frontier.com>; "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Paranoia
> 
> I have been following this since 3 this morning.
> 
> I do not recall EVER hearing the suggestion by law enforcement that citizens of Watertown to "stay away from doors and windows".
> 
> Care to share a link that substantiates you claim.   Or is this simply a matter of your own paranoia working overtime?
> 
> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
> 
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.moscowcares.com/
>  
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
> 
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still 
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill 
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
> 
> - John Lennon
>  
> 
> On Apr 19, 2013, at 9:28 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> Parts of the city on lockdown, a mad bomber on the loose, a militarized police response, you're told to stay inside away from doors and windows, and you don't think that's a good enough reason to have a gun on you?!?
>> 
>> Mind you, I'm not the one that brought up the "run around waving the gun and take them down yourself vigilante-style!" scenario.  I forget that gun control proponents, for some odd reason, think that if you have a gun near you then you *must* wave it around and start shooting people.
>> 
>> Paul
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>> 
>> From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
>> To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> 
>> Cc: "rhayes at frontier.com" <rhayes at frontier.com>; "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
>> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Paranoia
>> 
>> I will admit, Mr. Rumelhart . . .
>> 
>> There are instances "where a person having a gun with them for self-defense is justified".
>> 
>> This isn't one of them.
>> 
>> Arming one's self, like abortion, must be considered as a FINAL option/choice.  The police have enough to be concerned.
>> 
>> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
>> 
>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>> http://www.moscowcares.com/
>>  
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>> 
>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still 
>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill 
>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>> 
>> - John Lennon
>>  
>> 
>> On Apr 19, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Wow.  Can any of you brave individuals think of any scenario, whatsoever, where a person having a gun with them for self-defense is justified?
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: "rhayes at frontier.com" <rhayes at frontier.com>
>>> To: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
>>> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:56 AM
>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Paranoia
>>> 
>>> Yes, and I am quite certain law enforcement would appreciate a bunch of armed vigilantes to deal with on top of the problems they already have.  
>>>  
>>> Gun nuts = numb nuts
>>> From: "vision2020-request at moscow.com" <vision2020-request at moscow.com>
>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
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>>> Tom Hansen
>>> Moscow, Idaho
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