[Vision2020] Another perspective on free speech

[Tom Hansen]

From my posting two weeks ago 

"Innocence of Muslims"
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2012-September/085732.html

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Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students.  The college students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."

- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
 

On Sep 27, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Did the trailer for "The Innocence of Muslims" that was posted to YouTube actually incite hatred against racial or religious groups, or did it just express hatred towards racial or religious groups?  There is a difference.  I ask because I haven't seen this YouTube video.
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> Paul
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> From: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
> To: philosopher.joe at gmail.com; art.deco.studios at gmail.com 
> Cc: viz <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 12:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another perspective on free speech
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> What particular section of the article are you not in agreement with?  It seems to me that the main tenet is this paragraph:
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> 'Americans seem curiously unaware that, in many countries, thoughtful, modern, secular-minded people don't reject free speech -- they reject the claim that it protects The Innocence of Muslims. Under the most advanced legal norms in their countries, free speech doesn't include the right to incite hatred against racial or religious groups.'
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> Seems like just a statement of fact to me that Americans seem curiously unaware about how so-called 'free speech' is thought of in many countries (let alone our own).
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> -Scott
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> From: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 12:00:32 -0700
> To: art.deco.studios at gmail.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another perspective on free speech
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> I agree with this entirely. Joe
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> On Sep 27, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com> wrote:
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> I do not agree with this perspective of restricting free speech.
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> Religious dogma and some of the actions they engender including torture, war, forced conversion, restriction of freedoms and rights, cliterectomy, etc are extremely harmful to humankind.  Restricting free expression and the use of various rhetorical devices only serves to protect and promulgate these harmful beliefs and actions
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> In the search for truth and humane values, why should religious beliefs be exempted from analysis, investigation, the the uses of rhetorical devices used to examine and discuss all other kinds of belief?
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> It is important to note that unlike many other everyday beliefs like gravity there is no agreement on any religious truth out of the multitude of those offered to or forced upon humankind.  Worse yet, there is as of now unlike gravity, measles, etc, no agreed upon method to cull the true from the false and meaningless.
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> It offended many when Galileo asserted that the earth revolved around the sun, not the converse.  Let the search for truth be open, and if humor, insults, derision, etc can help in that search, so be it.
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> The same sort of statements above can be made about political dogma also.
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> w.
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> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Ron Force <rforce2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/09/free-speech-and-the-1st-amendment-arent-always-the-same-thing/262894/ 
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> Ron Force
> Moscow Idaho USA
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