[Vision2020] Romney's Promise of 12 million Jobs Obviously has NoEconomic Basis

Fri Oct 19 20:22:37 PDT 2012

The way I figure it, a vote for a candidate you don't think is as suited 
to run this nation as well as another candidate is a "waste of a vote".  
If there is one thing on which the Dems and Repubs can agree, it's that 
they should do everything in their power to lock out third-party 
candidates.  See their commission for Presidential debates as an example 
of this, or the legal shenanigans surrounding Gary Johnson's attempts to 
get on all 50 state ballots as another.

The current system of voting ('first past the post") is widely 
criticised for resulting in two-party systems, all because of this 
"throw your vote away" nonsense.  If a third-party candidate can get 
just 5% of the popular vote, they can get some of the funds that the 
main two parties get that they can use to get their word out.  
Supposedly, if they poll at 15% they can be invited to the debates, 
instead of arrested for showing up as Jill Stein was. The problem is 
that polls don't often ask about third-party candidates and even if they 
did track those numbers I bet we'd find that the 15% value would be a 
moving goalpost.

My advice is not to play into this racket.  Vote for the candidate you 
think is best, and let those high-priced political consultants worry 
about their candidate's political strategy.  That's what they pay them 
the big bucks for.

Paul

On 10/19/2012 06:01 PM, Joe Campbell wrote:
> Didn't he? I can't remember the thread but I do remember him saying on
> several occasions that he doesn't vote. Not to rag on Donovan, who is
> great and at least has reasons for not voting besides just being lazy.
> But I do think all who can should vote. I also think that if we
> encouraged everyone to vote it might make voting for a third party
> candidate a viable option as opposed to a waste of a vote -- but a
> waste of a vote is still a vote and I'm not about to tell people who
> they should vote for. That's up to them. (Tom said this too.) Joe
>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Sunil Ramalingam
> <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> But it's misdirected @ Donovan, since he didn't say people shouldn't vote.
>>
>> Sunil
>>
>>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0700
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Romney's Promise of 12 million Jobs Obviously
>>> has NoEconomic Basis
>>> From: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>>> To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com
>>> CC: godshatter at yahoo.com; sunilramalingam at hotmail.com;
>>> vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> Scott,
>>>
>>> Do you think there is a difference between (a) voting for a third
>>> party candidate and (b) not voting at all? I guess I think we have an
>>> obligation to vote but we can vote for whom we wish (third party
>>> candidate, etc.) and I think that this is Tom's view too. So the
>>> criticism is directed at Donovan, say, but not Sunil or Paul.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I'm not a big fan of poor analogies. I'm further unimpressed with
>>>> analogies
>>>> that are completely 180 degrees out of phase. And then to completely
>>>> misuse
>>>> phrases like 'battle cry' and 'lemmings' in same sentence...well I find
>>>> that
>>>> to be breathtakingly and spectacularly comical. I didn't get any sense
>>>> that
>>>> Donovan's comment whining. I just thought it to be one man's opinion.
>>>>
>>>> I previously thought there was little chance that I'd vote for Romney,
>>>> but
>>>> now it's more likely after seeing many of Tom's incessant posts and also
>>>> Dr.
>>>> Gier's comments. I'm fine with another four years of Obama or with a new
>>>> Romney regime. Either one of them will do OK.
>>>>
>>>> Ted, Sunil, Paul - thanks for posting your thoughts about the Green
>>>> party
>>>> and the Libertarian party.
>>>>
>>>> -Scott
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 11:45:32 -0700
>>>> From: godshatter at yahoo.com
>>>> To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
>>>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Romney's Promise of 12 million Jobs Obviously
>>>> has
>>>> NoEconomic Basis
>>>>
>>>> I feel the same way you do on this, though I chose to support Gary
>>>> Johnson,
>>>> the Libertarian Party candidate.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>>>> To:
>>>> Cc: vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 6:33 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Romney's Promise of 12 million Jobs Obviously
>>>> has
>>>> NoEconomic Basis
>>>>
>>>> At the highest level for this election, I think it is about degrees of
>>>> wrong. For me the best argument for Obama is that he's the lesser of two
>>>> evils. I'm with Ted: Since Romney has Idaho locked up, I'm looking at
>>>> the
>>>> Green Party candidate. Obama has too many repugnant policies to keep my
>>>> vote.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think I'm a lemming for looking critically at Obama. If we are
>>>> going
>>>> to use terms like 'lemmings,' I think the lemmings are turning a blind
>>>> eye
>>>> to his bad policies. I'd like to see an Obama supporter explain cogently
>>>> how
>>>> his drone assassination policy is constitutional, for one.
>>>>
>>>> Sunil
>>>>
>>>> From: thansen at moscow.com
>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 10:52:43 -0700
>>>> To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
>>>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Romney's Promise of 12 million Jobs Obviously
>>>> has
>>>> NoEconomic Basis
>>>>
>>>> Donovan Arnold whines . . .
>>>>
>>>> "When voting for national
>>>> office holders, there are no right answers, just degrees of how wrong."
>>>>
>>>> THAT, V-Peeps, is the battle cry of the lemmings.
>>>>
>>>> It's your voice. Use it. VOTE ! ! !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Seeya at the polls, Moscow, because . . . "Moscow Cares"
>>>> http://www.MoscowCares.com Tom Hansen Moscow, Idaho "We're a town of
>>>> about
>>>> 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college students are not very
>>>> active in local elections (thank goodness!)." - Dale Courtney (March 28,
>>>> 2007)
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