[Vision2020] Dems like secret recordings

Tue Oct 2 19:21:43 PDT 2012

It's not Romney talking about the 47% to a bunch of wealthy donors that 
I'm referring to when I refer to ethics.  It's the surreptitious taking 
of a video and then giving it (selling it?) to a political magazine and 
the subsequent mass media frenzy this ignited that I'm referring to.  
That's the "low bar".  He wasn't saying it in a place that he thought 
fact-checkers would be pouring over his words.  He said it in a private 
home to a private group of donors.  For all I know, he doesn't believe 
it but said it because his prospective donors believed it.

My remarks about Obama weren't meant to absolve Romney of whatever crime 
he performed by being saying what he said, I just wanted to point out 
that *all* politicians of any real calibre do the same thing.  They 
censure themselves when they might be quoted and are more direct when 
speaking in trusted groups.  Unless you are Jesus or the Dalai Lama, you 
do the same thing, as do I.

Paul

On 10/02/2012 03:50 PM, Joe Campbell wrote:
> I don't see your point, Paul. Obama would do it, so it is OK for
> Romney to do it? People should be entitled to insult half the country
> if they have the expectation that that half is not listening? When you
> are pandering to voters in your party, you're entitled to say whatever
> insulting thing you wish?
>
> How is criticizing someone for insulting half the country setting the
> bar "too low"?
>
> You seem to have this fatalistic attitude that politicians are jerks
> and there is nothing we can do about it. No point criticizing Romney
> since Obama does the same. I say: If it is wrong, say something. Don't
> put up with offensive crap from politicians. I don't care who does it.
> It is just WRONG to insult half the country when you are running for
> President of the United States of America. Wrong for Obama, wrong for
> Romney.
>
> Joe
>
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> This was a private fundraiser at a private home in Boca Raton Florida.
>> There didn't look to be more than a dozen attendees that I could see from
>> the video (not counting the servants, of course).  I'd say he had a
>> reasonable expectation that he wasn't going to be video-taped and uploaded
>> to YouTube.
>>
>> I would have to think that Obama would say things in such a setting that he
>> wouldn't want uploaded, either.  You speak to your audience, especially when
>> it's supposed to be a closed affair.
>>
>> If this were in a public venue or was a public event, I wouldn't be talking
>> about ethics in this case.  It doesn't matter to me, anyway, since I'm not
>> voting for either person.  I just don't like how low the bar is in this
>> election.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com>
>> To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>; Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>;
>> Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 2:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Dems like secret recordings
>>
>> But should someone have an expectation of privacy when speaking to a large
>> group of supporters at a fundraising dinner.  Seems to me this really isn’t
>> an “in ones home” issue.
>>
>> Sue Hovey
>>
>> From: Paul Rumelhart
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 1:25 PM
>> To: Tom Hansen ; Moscow Vision 2020
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Dems like secret recordings
>>
>> I was going to ask about the ethics of secretly taping a candidate in
>> someone's private home when they had a real expectation of privacy, but I
>> didn't want to wade through the hatred.  What does Obama say behind closed
>> doors?
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
>> To: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 11:23 AM
>> Subject: [Vision2020] Dems like secret recordings
>>
>> Courtesy of the Letters section of today's (October 2, 2012) and the
>> imagination of Moscow's Leonard Johnson.
>>
>> -------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> Dems like secret recordings
>>
>> I believe it logical to assume that Democratic Party political campaign
>> operatives have over the past three years, at minimum, surreptitiously
>> recorded the statements, speeches and informal musings of every American
>> citizen that seemed to be potentially a Republican candidate for election to
>> the office of president of the United States in the November 2012 general
>> elections.
>> Leonard Johnson
>> Moscow, Idaho
>> -------------------------------------
>>
>> Just because you are paranoid, Mr. Johnson, doesn't mean that they aren't
>> after you
>>
>> Paranoia self-destroya!
>>
>> Seeya at the polls, Moscow, because . . .
>>
>> "Moscow Cares"
>> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>> "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students.  The college
>> students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
>>
>> - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
>>
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