[Vision2020] [corrected] Hmmm . . .

Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Thu May 24 13:53:50 PDT 2012 

If Mr. Hansen supports this law, then he would also be required after fleeing his marijuana smoking friend's house, to also call the police on him leading to his arrest and the sighting of every adult also at the house for frequenting a known place of illegal drug use.
 
I personally would never call the police for a victimless misdemeanor or infraction. I believe I am responsible for my own actions not everyone else. My moral obligation to my own conscious and God is not take any action against someone if that action would result in a greater evil. To me, to have a person's life destroyed because they light up a joint in their own home, which is what the law enforced at this time would do, is more destructive than helpful, so I would not do it. If I felt compelled to call the police on someone, and I felt I would not be placed in jeopardy for it, I would tell the person I did, or was going to. 
 
Taking the stand, "I support it because it is the law of the land" is immoral and ethically unacceptable to me. A law must be able to stand with good reason and intent to do good on its own, not just because it is a law. Slavery was law, I would not support it. Harboring a Jew was illegal, I would do it. Being Gay was illegal, I did not follow it. 
 
There are higher laws than man's laws. And those laws must be followed over them. Love thy neighbor, is the highest law of all, and destroying a person, their family, and career, because they had a joint, to me, is in violation of that law. 
 
Donovan J. Arnold  

From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
To: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> 
Cc: vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [corrected] Hmmm . . .


Until marijuana is legalized . . .

Yes, I would be guilty of frequenting . . . 

And, yes, I support the law.  

If I were at a friend's house and (s)he offered me a joint, which I turn down (at this point I would excuse myself and leave the premises, explaining "I'm sorry, but . . . ")

Now, if marijuana were legal in the above scenario . . . (as I place my car keys in a can by the door) "Got a match?" 


Seeya round town, Moscow.

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"If not us, who?
If not now, when?"

- Unknown



On May 24, 2012, at 6:32, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:


So let's say you are at a friend's place,  you're drinking a beer. Your friend lights up a joint. You don't leave, you just stay there and keep watching the football game. You never touch the joint, you decline politely when your friend offers it to you.
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>Now somehow the police show up. They charge your friend with possession of weed, and they charge you with frequenting.
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>You support that? Seriously? Do you also support our War on Drugs?
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>Sunil
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>CC: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>From: thansen at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [corrected] Hmmm . . .
>Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 00:48:44 -0700
>To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
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>It is really quite simple.
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>I support the criminal charge of "frequenting a place where [illegal] drugs are used."  
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>I simply do not believe that marijuana should be considered an illegal drug.
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>I believe that the term "illegal" is implicit in the charge, otherwise police would be staking out such facilities as Gritman Medical Center, Moscow Family Medicine, and other "place[s] where drugs are used."
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>Oops.  I almost added the Moscow Fire Department to that list.
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>Seeya round town, Moscow.
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>Tom Hansen
>Moscow, Idaho
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>"If not us, who?
>If not now, when?"
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>- Unknown
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>On May 23, 2012, at 0:06, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>Sunil,
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>>Yes, it does sound like his position is, "It is ok to smoke MJ, just not to be hanging around while someone else is smoking it." Doesn't sound logical or sound reasoning to me, I am sure he didn't think about it. 
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>>I just think they need to end prohibition on MJ, it isn't working and just funds violent crime. All that violence and mass murders in Mexico is the result of making MJ illegal. If it was rich white people instead of poor Mexicans getting their heads chopped off they wouldn't be ignoring the situation like they are now. It is racism in its purist form. 
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>>Donovan J. Arnold
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>>From: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>>To: vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:51 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [corrected] Hmmm . . .
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>>Tom, 
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>>While I understand and agree with your sentiments here, I cannot square them with your support last week of the nature of the frequenting charge. I hope you mis-spoke when you took that position, or perhaps had not thought it through.
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>>After all, if you don't think the individuals below should be charged, why would you want someone present in the same place as the marijuana to be charged? 
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>>Sunil
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>>From: moscowcares at moscow.com
>>Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 15:20:56 -0700
>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: [Vision2020] [corrected] Hmmm . . .
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>>Courtesy of the "Public Records" section of today's (May 21, 2012) Mocow-Pullman Daily News.
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>>WSU POLICE
>>Thursday
>>7:30 a.m. - An 18-year-old man was arrested via prosecutor's summons for alleged possession of marijuana less than 40 grams.
>>8:27 a.m. - An 18-year-old man was arrested via prosecutor's summons for alleged possession of marijuana less than 40 grams.
>>10:07 a.m. - An 18-year-old woman was arrested via prosecutor's summons for alleged possession of marijuana less than 40 grams.----------------------------------- 
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>>Two questions, V-Peeps . . . 
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>>- How much ya figger it's costin' the Whitman County tax payers to arrest, prosecute, and incarcerate these three misdemeanants?
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>>- How much tax revenue ya figger that the state of Washington would have realized had those (approximately) 120 grams of marijuana been legalized, regulated, and taxed?
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>>Seeya round town, Moscow.
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>>Tom Hansen
>>Moscow, Idaho
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>>"If not us, who?
>>If not now, when?"
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>>- Unknown
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