[Vision2020] Vandal sports

Thu May 3 10:45:38 PDT 2012

You can look up total athletic budgets at:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/ncaa-finances.htm
They don't break out individual sports, unfortunately.

The latest is 2009-10. It shows that the UI had income of $15.6 million, from the following principal sources:
State support: $3.1 million--all the state schools get a state appropriation for athletics

Direct institutional support: $2.6 million-- from the university's budgets
Contributions: $2.4 million
Student fees: $2.2 million
NCAA conference distributions, including tournaments $2.0 million
Game guarantees $800K (probably football)
Royalties, licensing, etc. $700K
Ticket sales $700K
Indirect facilities and administrative support $300K
Broadcast rights $50K (radio--TV comes through conference distributions)

In case you were wondering, BSU had an income of $37 million, similar income for state & institutional support and student fees, but $7 million in ticket sales, $6.5 million in contributions, $6 million from the NCAA, $2.7 million in royalties. They spend it all.

Over half the UI's budget comes from non-athletic sources: appropriations, university budgets, and taxes on students (fees). That presumably would continue regardless of football. ISU in the Big Sky, has a budget of $11 million. The main reductions would be in NCAA distributions. 

Ron Force
Moscow Idaho USA

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 From: Dan Carscallen <areaman at moscow.com>
To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 5:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vandal sports

Donovan, 

You may have missed it in Chris’ first sentence:

“football revenue”

DC

From:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 2:36 AM
To: Love America
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vandal sports

Chris,

I am not sure why diversity and opportunities would suffer at UI by returning to the Big Sky, nor did your response state why. I am 100% for Title IX, always have been. 

My understanding, however, whenever I looked into the situation while at UI, was that UI athletics always cost the UI more in revenues than it ever brought in and football only helped to offset those huge expenses. If this is so, I would surmise the shrinking of UI athletics would reduce costs to the UI overall and allow more minority students an opportunity to attend UI than athletics. Further, it would be minority students attending college for their academic achievements and talents rather than their ability to throw, catch, hit, or kick a ball. Many of those students would then be more likely to go on as graduate students which generate additional revenues for the UI assisting professors with their research. 

So I see reducing athletics and returning to Big Sky as an opportunity to win and reduce costs, while at the same time promoting diversity and academic opportunities. 

Donovan J. Arnold

From:Love America <skialaska0 at gmail.com>
To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com 
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vandal sports

Donovan,
If Idaho were to go back to the Big Sky, UI would have to cut women's programs plain and simple.  Whether you like it or not, football revenue and Title IX compliance are why women's programs are doing so well at UI.  I suspect soccer would go first, followed by women's golf.  Men's and women's swimming would be cut next and probably some track scholarships are lost.  Heck, I  wish the Vandals have had better success at WAC football, but at least the pain on the gridiron (with a couple of great years in the midst) has allowed hundreds of athletes to attend the UI who would not have had a chance if the UI was still in the Big Sky.  Those scholarships have helped with diversity, have added to the richness of the university, and have introduced 100's of fine people to Moscow that would have not been there.   I love winning like anyone else, but I know that in the end having these opportunities for these fine students outweigh the win/loss
 record of any football team.
Thanks
Chris
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
Leaving the Big Sky was a big mistake, and we need to put money into women's programs. Lady Vandals KICK ASS! Have always been a league above the rest. They were 3rd in the nation in Rodeo when I was there. Not many know that. 

Donovan J. Arnold

From:Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
To: Carl Westberg <idahovandal1 at live.com> 
Cc: "<vision2020 at moscow.com>" <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 12:35 PM 

Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vandal sports

As much of a die-hard Vandal as I am and as much of what remaining in Division 1A may mean to the UI Athletic Program, the boys of Bozo State, coupled with the loss of UI's "Flagship" moniker, have taught me one valuable lesson . . .

It simply is NOT that important!

Boise State is a prime example of what can happen if your priorities are messed up.  Boise State has been a four-year college since the 60s.  Although their football program has become a national Division 1A contender, their academic program remains at tier 3 along with a majority of northwest community colleges . . . not one PhD program and very few masters programs, while the University of Idaho has evolved into a nationally competitive tier 1 source of higher education and possesses a wide variety of many graduate programs.

Seeya round town, Moscow.

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho 
(UI '96, Information Systems)

"If not us, who?
If not now, when?"

- Unknown

On May 2, 2012, at 11:08, Carl Westberg <idahovandal1 at live.com> wrote:

> I've brought this subject up before, but recent conference shuffling events really seem to have put U of Idaho athletics in a very hard place.  No Division 1 conference seems to want the Vandals.  I just saw a Facebook poll asking which of three options respondents would prefer given the circumstances.  1.  Try playing as a D-1 independent, which would probably mean about three home games a year while hoping for an eventual conference invitation.  2.  Play, again, in the Sun Belt (teams in Louisiana, Tennessee...) to stay D-1.  If the Sun Belt wanted Idaho.  3.  Swallow pride and return to 1-AA and the Big Sky.  So far in the Facebook poll, the Big Sky leads comfortably.  Any thoughts?  Or is it even a concern outside of the hard core fans?
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