[Vision2020] Say What?

[deb]

Thank you, Keely. But they don't see it as about womens' health. They see an opportunity to promote their anti-woman agenda. They want a smaller government, one just big enough to invade a woman's womb and citizens bedrooms. Their government would let the poor starve and die with no medical attention, but would be ever vigilant to keep women from being autonomous beings or gays/lesbians from being legally protected.

Approximately 1/3 of all women have experienced/will experience sexual violence (and 1/5 of all men) during their life time---go google this your own self before you start screaming at me, you idiot MEN who promote anti-women legislation. Chuckles Windy hasn't got a clue, and furthermore doesn't want one. I, however, am more upset at the female legislators who jumped on the "blame and re-victimise the victim" band wagon. Shame on them. They, at least, should know better.

A rape victim seeking an end to a pregnancy perpetrated by violence, being forced to undergo another "rape" required by idiots with an ideology that makes women shamed chattle, seems to be so far over the flaming top as to make Idaho (and several other anti-women states) an international laughingstock. And the racist candidate for a North Idaho sherriff position just cements the picture of Idaho as a truly backwards (and beyond the 21st Century norm) place to live. 

Is it any wonder young people are running away from Idaho in droves? Or that getting teachers to stay here is difficult? Or that even long-time Republican legislators are sick and tired of this mess and opting out? Or that students of color from WSU are terrified to cross the WA/ID border? The people currently running this state are living in 1932, and want the rest of us to go there with them....unfortunately, we are allowing them to succeed.

We need some real statesmen/women to step up, and we need to get the real people of Idaho to rebel against these nasty, unethical, immoral, tax-cheating, un-American, and power hungry crackers!

Just MHO
Debi R-S
PS excuse my typos and misspellings---I'm too hacked off to use spell check tonight......
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: keely emerinemix 
  To: Tom Hansen ; vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?


  The correct reason why Sen. Winder is left to "assume that's part of the counseling that goes on" is that the verbal discourse between the woman and her doctor is none of his business, and neither is the volitionality of the sexual intercourse that resulted in the pregnancy.  Our inability to assume something that's none of our effing business probably is a good reason for butting out.

  I thank God my rape 30 years ago didn't result in pregnancy, but the event was sufficiently traumatic that I believe I can confidently assert that Winder hasn't any idea how utterly horrifying it would be to have a doctor insist that a woman describe and compare her "normal relations" in marriage to the violence inflicted upon her in rape.  But I don't think it's at all necessary to be a woman or a rape survivor to come to that conclusion.  It only requires that both mind and heart are working in concert, something the Idaho and national GOP doesn't seem able to manage.  Until they can, could they do us all a favor and shut up, then, about women's health issues?

  Keely
  www.keely-prevailingwinds.com



  > From: thansen at moscow.com
  > Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 18:04:57 -0700
  > To: Vision2020 at moscow.com
  > Subject: [Vision2020] Say What?
  > 
  > “Rape and incest was used as a reason to oppose this. I would hope that when a woman goes in to a physician with a rape issue, that physician will indeed ask her about perhaps her marriage, was this pregnancy caused by normal relations in a marriage or was it truly caused by a rape. I assume that's part of the counseling that goes on.”
  > 
  > - Idaho State Senator Chuck Winder (R-Boise) (March 19, 2012)
  > 
  > Courtesy of ABC News at:
  > http://abcnews.go.com/US/t/story/idaho-lawmaker-sparks-anger-abortion-comments-15964865
  > 
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  > 
  > Query for Mr. [Henry D. "Hank"] Johnston: Sufficient citation?
  > 
  > Seeya round town, Moscow.
  > 
  > Tom Hansen
  > Moscow, Idaho
  > 
  > "If not us, who?
  > If not now, when?"
  > 
  > - Unknown
  > 
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