[Vision2020] "Hate speech at my US Post Office" (a letter)

Saundra Lund v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm
Tue Mar 6 10:45:58 PST 2012


LOL – as far as guilty pleasures go, I can think of lots of worse ones.  And if you asked my dh, he would probably proffer up a long list of what he considers my guilty pleasures  J

 

Nonetheless, it does kind of remind me of the parent who says, “Do as I say, not as I do.”

 

 

Saundra

 

From: Paul Rumelhart [mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 8:35 AM
To: Saundra Lund; 'Tom Hansen'
Cc: 'Moscow Vision 2020'
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "Hate speech at my US Post Office" (a letter)

 

I admit it.  Feeding the trolls on this list is a guilty pleasure of mine.  I can't recommend it to everyone, though.

 

Paul

 

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From: Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
To: 'Paul Rumelhart' <godshatter at yahoo.com>; 'Tom Hansen' <thansen at moscow.com> 
Cc: 'Moscow Vision 2020' <Vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 10:09 PM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] "Hate speech at my US Post Office" (a letter)





Oh, gosh, Paul – I’m glad to know you personally accept the “don’t feed the trolls” theory!!!

 

We here on the Viz can count on you, then, to not feed the trolls that that periodically visit, yes?

 

Based on your repeated feeding of trolls (i.e., No Weatherman), I thought surely you rejected the “don’t feed the trolls” idea.

 

Personally, I’ve found that those who retort, “don’t feed the trolls,” tend to be the worst offenders.  They are all for “not feeding the trolls” until they decide they have something clever or witty or whatever to say, and then they start feeding, only to subsequently trot out, “don’t feed the trolls,” when they want others to be quiet.  Like the example of David Satterlee’s courageous response to the public posting at his post office:  you think “don’t feed the trolls” is better than speaking truth.  Interesting!

 

 

Saundra

Moscow, ID

 

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.

~ Edmund Burke

 

 

From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rumelhart
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 3:04 PM
To: Tom Hansen
Cc: Moscow Vision 2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "Hate speech at my US Post Office" (a letter)

 


I would have written "Don't feed the trolls" or "trolololol" on it.  Or better yet, just laughed and ignored it.  If you respond to trolls, the trolls win.

Paul

On 03/04/2012 06:30 AM, Tom Hansen wrote: 

Courtesy of The Salon at:

 

http://open.salon.com/blog/davidsatterlee/2012/03/02/hate_speech_at_my_us_post_office 

 

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Hate speech at my US Post Office


 

By David Satterlee of Dayton, Iowa

 

I found this posted on the information board at my US Post Office in Dayton, Iowa, 50530 on March 2, 2012. There were also three modified cartoons referring to President Obama, fried chicken, watermelon, and black salami. I thought that the cartoons were inappropriate and offensive to public decency; I removed them.

 

The threat letter seemed more personal, so I added my answer and left it there. I will transcribe the notes for your convenience.

 

The original message was: “What do you call 20,000 liberals in the bottom of the ocean? A good start. Liberalism is a mental disorder”

 

My answer reads: “Please, don’t just threaten me with drowning and post anonymous racist hate cartoons against our elected President in a US Post Office. Make your case, explain your issues, and give practical ideas for improvement… and please have the courage to sign your name. With sincere best wishes, Your neighbor, David Satterlee”

 

Frankly, I worry that the threat could get personal. It may already be personal: I’ve had an Obama 2012 poster in my front window for weeks.

 

Having lived in this small rural town for only two years, I’m still a bit of an outsider. I’ve improved the old 1880s workman’s Victorian that we bought and joined the Lion’s Club until my social anxieties got too severe. I smile and speak kindly at every opportunity, and wrote a series of positive local feature articles for the Dayton Review until I had a stroke last year.

 

The editor of the Dayton Review has encouraged me to begin submitting an opinion column, which I can write from home without running all over to take interview notes. I plan to feature liberal ideas explained in terms and values that conservatives claim as their exclusive own.

 

It occurs to me that my openness may fan the flames among those who are prone to reflexive hate. I could just hide in the shadows, cringing and hoping that no one will notice me or be mean to me. But, I am aware of the courage of those great souls who spoke out to end slavery, gain the vote for women, oppose the baron kings and their trusts, and march for civil rights.

 

As a child in school, I was raised in a particularly rigid, conservative, Christian faith. I remember how it was to be the object of hate, bullying, and abuse. I learned to run fast. No more. I’m going to stand fast. Bullies should be faced down. I’m tired of this shit and I’m not going to take it any more.

 

I’ve spent decades trying to figure out all the things I didn’t learn as a closed-minded conservative. I started with all the self-improvement and pop psychology books. I graduated to social psychology, Eastern religions, and theories of human development. These past four years, I’ve concentrated on figuring out the difference between Republicans and Democrats. I came out of the process as a generally-tolerant, love-thy-neighbor, but still-evangelical liberal. But, I still can’t feel good about hate, disrespect, and bullying.

 

'nuf said.

 

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Seeya later, Moscow.

 

Tom "tree-hugging, bleeding-heart, card-carrying liberal" Hansen

Post Falls, Idaho

 

"If not us, who?

If not now, when?"

 

- Unknown

 

 

  
  
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