[Vision2020] About Evidence

[Art Deco]

Addendum:

Here is one case of millions of cases where using fantasy instead of
knowledge leads:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/17/world/asia/pakistan-taliban-polio-vaccine/index.html

w.

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com>wrote:

> Reply to Joe on values:
>
> I agree that there is no final way to prove a value.
>
>  However, in discussions of values facts play an important, if not
> indispensable role.  Values change as knowledge increases.  Obvious
> examples:  Treat mental health problems with therapy rather than
> stigmatizing them and attribute their cause to be possessed by devils, or
> understanding that in part at least, gender sexual preference has a
> genetically determined element.
>
> Values are also determined in part by considering the consequences of such
> values.  Many consequences or probabilistic, fact like statements.
>
>
> I am surprised that Joe has not pointed out to Donovan that all his
> responses commit the fallacy of Begging the Question or Circularity
> (assuming what you are trying to prove in some form or other).
>
>
> *However*, the point for the genesis of this whole thread is an answer to
> the question:  On what basis should decisions be based:  Knowledge claims
> for which verifiable evidence can be adduced to support, guess, or fantasy?
>
> The underlying issue is the freedom to act in accordance with what is at
> any given time the most accurate knowledge claims. Claims, for example, in
> ancient writings that same gender marriage cannot be allowed according to
> some unverifiable, untestable, basically incomprehensible bogeyman in the
> sky is an unjustifiable abridgement of personal freedom forcing decisions
> to be made on superstition and fantasy, not knowledge.
>
> A corollary:  Evangelistic Libertarianism is an oxymoron.
>
> w.
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Donovan Arnold
>> <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I see your Sam Harris and raise you a Jesus H. Christ.
>>
>> > If interested, you can read about Him in the New Testament. It is a best
>> > seller.
>>
>> I've read it. Parts of it were pretty good.
>>
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