[Vision2020] Same sex marriage

[Scott Dredge]

"The

                only possible strength to your argument might be, that
                some people might get married to a same gendered friend
                for the tax and medical benefits. But again, that would
                be morally wrong to do that, in my personal opinion." 

Getting married for tax and / or medical benefits would not be morally wrong in my book.  It would make better sense to get married for those reasons than the completely arbitrary 'we're in love' reason (which is still a valid reason).  Anything is a valid reason except for maybe cases where some Mom takes her pregnant 12 years old daughter and her 20 something year old boyfriend across state lines for them to get legally married in an attempt to prevent him from being prosecuted for child rape in their home state - and don't think that something like this hasn't happened before because it has.

People get married and divorced for all sorts of reasons.  The less restrictions, the better in my opinion.  My - nor anyone else's - unalienable rights of 'Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness' should not be extended such that I (or they) can control anyone else's same unalienable rights.

-Scott

Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:05:19 -0700
From: kmmos1 at frontier.com
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Same sex marriage


  
    
  
  
    On 7/15/2012 11:32 PM, Donovan Arnold
      wrote:

        

      
          <[snip]>
                "It is immaterial
                if a same gendered couple adds children to the world
                with assistance from an opposite gendered person outside
                the marriage. They have still added children to the
                world." <[snip]>

              
          

                True. The biological fact of the matter is that same-sex
                couples can not reproduce (scientific oddities with mice
                notwithstanding). If society's understanding of the
                nature of marriage is such that even same-sex couples
                are to be allowed to create new children, and allows
                same-sex new parentage to be legal, then same-sex
                marriage as an ancillary means for population control is
                a failure. Indeed, it is worse than a failure to the
                extent of such related population increase.

                

                <[snip]>
                  "My point, is that no person should be forced to marry
                  another person for reasons other than for love of that
                  person." <[snip]>

                  

                  By way of contrast, I suggest that no person should be
                  forced to marry anyone for any reason, including for
                  love of that person.

                  

                
          "Your

                argument, that people should marry someone of the same
                gender to reduce the human population, boils down to
                saying everyone should engage only in gay sex for the
                purposes of reducing pregnancies. Which is, shy of any
                other respectable world, silly."

                

                The word that should be assigned to your
                characterization of the argument is incorrect, not
                silly. The initial suggestion was that same-sex marriage
                should be legal in order to recognize those same-sex
                couples who wish to marry and not add to the excess
                population. I did not suggest, nor does the potential
                legality of same-sex marriage imply, that, as you write
                "everyone
                    should engage only in gay sex for the purposes of
                    reducing pregnancies." That suggestion goes way beyond
                silly.

                

                If same-sex couples demand child creation and child
                rearing privileges be granted to them legally, and if
                society, as it apparently has in jurisdictions where
                same-sex marriage is legal, grants such privileges, then
                society not only fails to favorably address the
                overpopulation problem, it unfavorably addresses it by
                going out of its way to create another avenue through
                which more legally-sanctioned people may be created.
                Whatever degrees of legal fairness, equity, and justice
                may otherwise inhere to legalized same-sex marriage,
                population control assistance is not among them. 

              
           
          "The

                only possible strength to your argument might be, that
                some people might get married to a same gendered friend
                for the tax and medical benefits. But again, that would
                be morally wrong to do that, in my personal opinion." 
        

      The distinction between moral and legal has long been recognized,
      and it is not likely going away any time soon.

      

      

      Ken

    
  


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