[Vision2020] Same sex marriage

[Scott Dredge]

Ken,

If you're going to bring kids into the mix, that only serves to strengthen the position that same sex marriages should be allowed so that the children of these families receive equal benefits as their peers.  Gay people can and do procreate, there is no question about this.  Former VP Dick Cheney is about as conservative as they come, and his daughter and her partner have two children.  They even got themselves legally married in Washington DC about 3 weeks ago.  The dominoes will continue to fall en route to legalization of same sex marriage nationwide via a Supreme Court decision, but I'm looking for any good legal / logical reason why it should not be allowed.  Paul / Gary - can either of you give it a shot at playing devil's advocate?  And by that, I mean a good shot, not just some half assed, weak, grasping at straws attempt.

-Scott

Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:46:06 -0700
From: kmmos1 at frontier.com
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Same sex marriage


  
    
  
  
    On 7/15/2012 4:37 AM, Donovan Arnold
      wrote:

    
    
      
        Sorry, Ken,
            but that is one of the silliest arguments I have heard.
            Marriage has nothing to do with if people have children or
            not.
      
    
    

    Marriage has to do with, among other things, with whether people
    have social permission to procreate. Same-sex marriage implies such
    permission is not granted to individuals within that relationship.

    

    
      
        You can be
            married and have no children and be not married and have 10
            children.
      
    
    

    Of course. Physical biology is not prevented by marriage or its
    absence.

    

    
      
        Many same sex
            couples can, do, will, and want to have children, and make
            damn good parents too. 
      
    
    

    Likewise true.

    

    
      
        It is
            actually easier to have more children if you are NOT in a
            monogamous relationship for both genders.
      
    
    

    If a person lacks a spouse who would disapprove of extramarital
    sexuality, and if that person cares not whether pregnancy results
    from personal sexual activity, then more children may result.

    

    
      
        A man is more
            able to impregnate more women, and a woman would be more
            likely to get pregnant
            with more men.
      
    
    

    Marriage may have a counter-intuitive prophylactic effect as a
    result of each partner encouraging more responsibility from the
    other without regard to partner gender.

    

    More irresponsible, less thoughtful, people may cause more
    pregnancies without regard to partner gender if they are not
    monogamous. If they are monogamous fewer pregnancies will result
    within same-sex couples, whether or not they are married.

    

    
      
        People
            should not, or be socially engineered to marry a person of a
            gender they are not attracted to, that is unfair to one or
            both of them.
      
    
    

    I am not suggesting unwanted marriage. Remaining single is just as
    available an option.

    

    
      
        As well
            as others that could be deprived of their true affections
            and love. 
         
        Marriage
            should ALWAYS be about two consenting adults who love each
            other.
      
    
    

    How romantic. And in many cases, how unrealistic. Over the centuries
    marriage has more often been an arrangement implementing social
    practicalities rather than love. Given the intractable societal
    burdens of overpopulation, societal concerns may well trump personal
    preferences for multiple reasons -- food sharing, housing sharing,
    and many facets of more efficient societal use of many limited
    resources.

    

    
      
        And nothing
            else. People deserve nothing less.
      
    
    

    Whether or not our current mixture of preferences will survive
    increasing population pressures is both uncertain and unlikely.

    

    

    Ken

  


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