[Vision2020] Say What?

Wed Jan 11 12:57:49 PST 2012

Keely,

I agree it will provide better care for some. But it will not be better care for myself and millions of others as it stands now. If Obama got what he really wanted it would be way better than what we have now. But Obama compromised the most important parts of the bill to get it passed and now it will do more harm than good to the people that truly cannot afford health care but are forced to buy it. Some people will be required to pay as much as 30-50% of their paychecks to get insurance that does them no good and puts them into further grinding poverty. Sacrificing the few to better the well-off is not a plan I can ever endorse. I think more effort needs to be put into convincing people Universal Health Care is the best means of delivering health care as proved worldwide. No efforts were even made to get churches involved in the effort. Obama care will drive up costs of health care and increase the number of impoverished while increasing profits for
 insurance companies and the wealth of their investors. It is trading compassion for capitalism, in my opinion. 

Donovan Arnold

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 From: keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com; Nicholas Gier <ngier at uidaho.edu>; Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>; vision2020 at moscow.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:09 PM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Say What?

I'm aware of that, Donovan, and have been pretty open about my support for a single-payer system.  It's a shame to me that it's the most fervent "Christian" element in this country that will likely prevail in our country's failure to adopt it.

So, like Joe, I'm grudgingly aware that the profit-driven system we have now is what we need to work with.  Obamacare is a huge step forward, one that will provide more and better care not to everyone, but at least to many millions of people previously denied access.

Keely
www.keely-prevailingwinds.com

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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 03:06:47 -0800
From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
To: NGIER at uidaho.edu; kjajmix1 at msn.com; thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com

Keely,

The problem is that insurance companies are about making as big of a return for stock holders as possible, not getting people well. Inviting greedy corporate lawyers and stockbrokers into the health care system is like letting a pack of hungry wolves loose in the operating room. The two just don't go together in an combination that results in a good outcome. 

US health care policy today is about maximizing return of investment not maximizing the health of people. Until that goal changes, it doesn't matter how you mix and match insurance, profit, and care. 

Donovan Arnold

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 From: "Gier, Nicholas" <NGIER at uidaho.edu>
To: keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>; donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com; thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 4:58 PM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Say What?

RE: [Vision2020] Say What? 
Nice insights, Keeley.  One more reason to should be a Town Crier.

Nick

A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.

-Greek proverb

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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com on behalf of keely emerinemix
Sent: Tue 1/10/2012 2:05 PM
To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com; Contact - thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?

One problem with "firing" your health insurer is that, until Obamacare, any gap between that entity's coverage and the replacement coverage you find  can automatically result in either your non-acceptance or your having to pay a higher premium for having come to the new company from "uninsured" status.  And if  you can find something you can afford among those companies that will accept you, you might find yourself delaying treatment for the initial medical problem because of an inability to afford the premiums or the deductibles and other out-of-pocket expenses. 

If I don't like my local Conoco station, I can easily "fire" them and go to Cenex.  But only someone blissfully out of touch or callously unaffected would presume that "firing" one's health insurer is even possible at times, much less a simple case of "voting with your wallet."

Keely
www.keely-prevailingwinds.com

Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 20:31:02 -0800
From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
To: kjajmix1 at msn.com; thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com

Bad choice of words for Romney. I think what he meant was the he liked having the authority to decide who provides him services for health care. I have to agree, that it would be horrible not be able to have the power to dismiss a service provider that you don't like. Any football fan that has had Time Warner or Dish Network as a television provider would have to agree. Donovan Arnold
       From: keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
 To: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>; vision2020 at moscow.com
 Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 8:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?

Besides the cringeworthiness of Romney's words is the reality that "firing" one's health insurance company virtually guarantees great difficulty in finding another . . .

Keely
www.keely-prevailingwinds.com

> From: thansen at moscow.com
> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 18:58:26 -0800
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: [Vision2020] Say What?
>
> "I want individuals to have their own insurance. That means the insurance company will have an incentive to keep you healthy. It also means if you don't like what they do, you can fire them.  I like being able to fire people that provide services to me."
>
> - Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney (January 9,
 2012)
>
> Video courtesy of the Associated Press.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBfWB64iHAs
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> --------------------
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> This video is going to get lots of mileage over the next few weeks.
>
> Seeya later, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Spokane, Washington
>
> "If not us, who?
> If not now, when?"
>
> - Unknown
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