[Vision2020] Isn't it about time . . .

Wayne Price bear at moscow.com
Mon Dec 17 17:17:27 PST 2012 

Paul,

A thoughtful, well reasoned approach about a subject that I would list  
as "Gun Violence", which I agree has to be gotten under control.
But in the mean time, we'll have to suffer through all of the "knee- 
jerk" responses. This list is a good example of that.

WMP








On Dec 17, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Paul Rumelhart wrote:

> A few days after the accident when they are discussing the funerals  
> on TV of the kids and are interviewing bereaved parents and getting  
> the "man on the street's" view of things is a horrible time to try  
> to sit down and have a rational conversation about what we can and  
> cannot do to help strengthen our gun laws or figure out a better way  
> to deal with mental health problems.  It's a great time to act if  
> you are a group that has a preset agenda and just happens to have a  
> bill all written up that you have been dying to pass, but that won't  
> help anyone but the people with the agendas.  See our reaction as a  
> country to 9/11 as a good lesson on this topic.
>
> I'm hoping lawmakers will wait until the passion of the moment has  
> died down and we have some distance before we try to rework the gun  
> laws.  Fat chance, I know.
>
> For instance, if I said "the second amendment is about more than  
> protecting kindergartners from being shot", I would currently be  
> lambasted as an uncaring person who is dancing on the graves of 6  
> year-olds or something.  *Maybe* in a few weeks we'll be able to  
> really discuss it.  Anything we try to do in the meantime will  
> almost certainly be an overreaction.
>
> Paul
>
>
> From: Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com>
> To: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>; vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com 
> >
> Cc: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 3:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Isn't it about time . . .
>
> “Knee-jerk reaction or fear-driven acts.”  Those are interesting but  
> patronizing ways to characterize the responses to these killings,  
> and of the same mindset, I think, as “guns don’t kill people.”   We  
> need to be considering all our options and we should have been doing  
> that for a very long time.   Those of us who live here, own guns,  
> and use them for hunting and self-protection need to be willing to  
> look at the cultural issues that are bigger than our own mindsets.   
> Might it not be that we need to consider restating the Second  
> Amendment in such a way as to prohibit private ownership of certain  
> types of armament?  We already do some of that within the scope of  
> the amendment; why not look further?  Why not consider the way we  
> publicize the events...the murderer, who may have never had much in  
> the way of self gratification, can be sure if his, yes his, crime is  
> of a certain magnitude, he will be remembered for the way it was  
> publicized with his face on every newscast and every front page? A  
> First Amendment question....dare we consider it?    There are a lot  
> of issues here, none of them trivial.
>
> Sue H.
>
> From: Sunil Ramalingam
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 2:06 PM
> To: vision 2020
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Isn't it about time . . .
>
> But the cartoon doesn't advocate banning all guns. It shows someone  
> leaving the NRA, which opposes the regulation you find reasonable.
>
> The NRA's response to regulation is fear-driven. It's one of their  
> marketing techniques, or to use another of your terms below, a knee- 
> jerk reaction.
>
> Sunil
> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 14:01:04 -0800
> From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Isn't it about time . . .
> To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>
> There's a difference between being prepared and simply reacting to  
> something.  I take a blanket and a flashlight with me on winter  
> trips in the car, I carry jumper cables in the trunk, I have smoke  
> alarms and a fire extinguisher in my house, I bring a space blanket,  
> some matches, and a folding knife with me when I go hiking, and I  
> keep a gun at home in case I need to protect myself.
>
> Banning all guns because someone used one in a horrifying way  
> appears to me to be more of a fear-driven act.  There is definitely  
> room for improvement in who we sell guns to and how well we learn  
> how to use them but that's a discussion that should happen after the  
> knee-jerk reactions have passed.
>
> Paul
>
>
> From: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> To: vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 1:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Isn't it about time . . .
>
> Paul,
>
> Doesn't that apply to both sides of the argument?
>
> Sunil
>
> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 13:27:10 -0800
> From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> To: thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Isn't it about time . . .
>
> If you want your life to be ruled by fear-driven reflex, sure.
>
> Paul
>
>
> From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> To: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 12:44 PM
> Subject: [Vision2020] Isn't it about time . . .
>
>
>
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares"
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
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