[Vision2020] State of the University of Idaho
Scott Dredge
scooterd408 at hotmail.com
Sat Aug 18 14:25:52 PDT 2012
My hat is off to bSU. They want something, they go after it, they get it. U of I does very little of these things. No bold aspirations and no guts in even doing the right thing such as extending benefits to domestic partners of their faculty. Seems to me the leadership at the U of I is just fine with the status quo so it's onward and upward for bSU and I wish them well because their guts is paying dividends with glory. Say all you want about graduation rates, research, and even a self designation of 'flagship'. Bottom line is that you can still get a marketable degree from the U of I and you can still be gainfully employed on their payroll as well so it does serve a tremendously useful purpose for the citizens of the city of Moscow and the great state of Idaho. It is a functional institution that will be around long after I've dropped dead myself.
-Scott
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 12:41:11 -0700
From: rforce2003 at yahoo.com
To: idahovandal1 at live.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State of the University of Idaho
I wonder where the critics have been? Nellis took over in 2009 at the depth of the country's worst recession since the 30s. He had to cope with a 25% reduction in state appropriations over three years. And the present state leadership? has indicated that the reduction in funding is the "new normal". The bold visions put forth by Hoover & Co. are not likely to be realized. Like all visionary leaders, Hoover thought that by providing excellence, more state resources would be forthcoming. He greatly overestimated the vision of
Idaho's political leadership. Small and smaller (or dumb and dumber) is now the word from Boise (except for football, of course).
I sat though enough briefings on the Boise project to understand how it was going to work. Hoover was right that UI's future depended on diversifying political support outside Latah County, and he tried to cultivate state support by placing programs in strategic locations, particularly Boise. However, the funding for the three buildings in the Boise Center was essentially a real-estate play. Commercial
development in the blocks West of the center was supposed to pay for the project. When the Boise commercial real-estate market collapsed in 2001-2 the funding for the academic buildings went with it, leading to the events that sunk the Hoover administration. The developers walked away with their cut, and the University was left holding the bag.
It was really in trouble before that, in that the role that the
UI was going to play in Boise was never actually worked out. The Deans were being urged to come up with programs for Boise, but could never identify unique academic needs that only UI could fill. Law, sure, but at that time the ABA wasn't approving branch programs and moving the whole program to Boise wasn't economically or politically feasible. The Boise market was mostly frosh-sophomore general ed, or mature, place-bound students who wanted part-time courses. BSU had that market cornered. The Board of Education wasn't going to allow duplication of basic education programs, so where the students were going to come from to fill four buildings was never clear. Ron ForceMoscow Idaho USA From: Carl Westberg <idahovandal1 at live.com>
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 12:09 PM
Subject: [Vision2020] State of the University of Idaho
I wanted to share these thoughts from a U of I alum in Boise, posted on Vandal Venue, regarding the current state of the University of Idaho. While the immediate subject is athletics, the post is about far more than that. He writes of an overall ennui surrounding the entire institution. He gave permission for me to cut and paste. I think he has some interesting thoughts. In quotes, his post.....
"Those are interesting observations, and they
seem to be consistent with what I sense is going on at the U of I.
Nellis seems to be more of a caretaker president than one who is
seriously pushing forward on anything. I understand I only see a very
small snapshot of what is actually going on up there, but if that’s the
snapshot I’m seeing it says something about the perception the school is
getting down here."
"The “autopilot” characterization of the
university is spot-on to me. Not going anywhere. Stayed. Static.
Unchanging. I feel like the U of I has been on autopilot for a decade
or more, and in the meantime it has substantially eroded its mantle and
role in higher education in this state. We have gone from being the
undisputed leader to alarming irrelevance. We are letting others
control the discussion of what our school is and what it means to the
state. We are declining to show up for our own defense."
"I
think another poster said awhile ago that the biggest tragedy about University
Place was that it didn’t get finished. As much as the whole University
Place caused havoc for the school (from which the school has not yet
recovered and may not ever), the vision was right while the execution
was wrong. Hoover understood that if we didn’t grow we would die. He
understood that the new battle for higher education relevance in Idaho
was taking place in the Treasure Valley. He understood that if we
didn’t make the school prominent here we would lose exposure, then
relevance, and then the school as we knew it. And that’s exactly what
is happening. Ever since the project got halted and the U of I was
crucified in the media for the financial aspects of it we have lost any
semblance of leadership at the school that actually wants to move the U
of I forward."
"The biggest reason why this has happened
over the last 10 years is that the culture of the school has just given
up. There is no push from the base to move things forward, so the
administration feels just fine not doing anything. Those of us who post
on these message boards are not the true representatives of the Vandal
base. No, the true representative of the Vandal base doesn’t really
think much about Vandal football or athletics or even what is going on
in Moscow anymore. They live their lives, go about their daily affairs,
and don’t really care about what is happening to the old alma mater.
The base isn’t so much asleep as it has become the living extinct."
"There
is no push from the base, so there is no push from the leadership. The
base doesn’t care, so the leadership doesn’t act. The battle is raging
and our school is essentially not participating. There is no
inspiration anymore." End of his post......
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