[Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is Promoting . . .

Sat Aug 11 17:57:16 PDT 2012

I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but if you Google: --Guns alcohol --,
you'll find a great deal of information.

w.
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:

> Another interesting question . . .
>
> Should those people with CWPs be permitted to drink alcoholic beverages
> while carrying weapons?
>
> Suppose somebody, with a CWP and carrying a weapon, goes out drinking and
> gets drunk.  At what point does concern for mental stability play a major
> role?
>
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students.  The college
> students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
>
> - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Well whether someone used a gun and saved the day in a case like Aurora is
> either true or false. If true, when and where?
>
> The case you have is different. Robbers who shot NO ONE and were
> subsequently shot by an old man. Not a case of preventing violence by any
> means.
>
> I guess your next suggestion is to get rid of police -- too much big
> government -- and it's everyone for himself.
>
> On Aug 11, 2012, at 2:34 PM, "Gary Crabtree" < <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
> CWP holders will be reluctant to pipe up in as much as part of concealed
> is keeping your yap shut and avoiding telling all of Gods creation that
> you're healed. Your opinion is looked on with favor by some to be sure.
>
> A recent example of an armed citizen exercising his rights to good effect:
>
> <http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/71-Year-Old-Man-Shoots-Would-Be-Robbers-at-Ocala-Internet-Cafe-Authorities-162941656.html>
> http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/71-Year-Old-Man-Shoots-Would-Be-Robbers-at-Ocala-Internet-Cafe-Authorities-162941656.html
>
> To say that a guy with a hand gun has never prevented a massacre is
> illogical in as much as who can say what might have happened had a
> different path been followed? In one scenario two goblins are wounded and
> taken to jail. In another, a dozen innocents minding their own business in
> a internet café are senselessly murdered...film at 11:00
>
> g
>
>  *From:* Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:57 AM
> *To:* <vision2020 at moscow.com>vision2020 at moscow.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is Promoting .
> . .
>
>
> Yes, you'd have to be damn sure about your line of fire.  Firing in the
> middle of a frenzied crowd running panicked for the exits would surely be
> asking for trouble.  However, it's my understanding that for a while during
> the shooting the shooter had complete control of the situation.  Anyone
> trying to leave was shot.  Many people were playing dead in the hopes they
> would  be passed over.  Firing on the shooter, even if he's in body armor,
> might distract him enough that some people might have made it to the
> exits.  Body armor doesn't make you invincible, depending on the armor and
> the caliber of the weapon used you might still have made an impact, since
> he'd still be hit by the blunt force of the bullet.  In this situation,
> though, you would probably also have been shot dead shortly after because
> he was so well prepared (vest, leggings, throat protector, groin protector,
> and a helmet with a visor).  Who knows?  Telling a loved one "when I start
> shooting, RUN for the exit and don't stop" might have worked.
>
> Most other shootings like this we've heard about haven't involved such a
> heavily armored assailant.  In fact, quite a few of them have taken place
> in areas where gun use is often restricted, such as in schools or on
> university campuses.  Harris and Kliebold wore T-shirts and cargo pants at
> Columbine.  A student who had happened to have smuggled a gun into the
> school might have been able to have had a real impact on that event.
>
> An interesting thing to think about, in my opinion.  Apparently, that
> opinion is not shared on this list.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 08/11/2012 08:13 AM, Art Deco wrote:
>
> It's hard to think of something more foolish than someone or ones with a
> hand gun in a disorganized, panicky crowd trying to shoot a person with a
> automatic weapon shielded by body armor.  How many more victims would be
> added to the final body count?
>
> Didn't something like this happen in the Moscow Massacre?
>
> w.
>
> On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 7:02 AM, Donovan Arnold <<donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>  Tom,
>>
>> While your wife if shopping Tri-State, you should be to. I mean come on,
>> support your community why don't you. :)
>>
>> Donovan J. Arnold
>>
>>   *From:* Tom Hansen < <thansen at moscow.com>thansen at moscow.com>
>> *To:* Sunil Ramalingam < <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>> sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>> *Cc:* "< <vision2020 at moscow.com>vision2020 at moscow.com>" <<vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2012 6:47 PM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is Promoting
>> . . .
>>
>>   You may very well be right, Sunil.
>>
>> It's just a habit I have acquired while in the service.  Trust those
>> around you, but keep your powder dry.
>>
>> I saw the poster at Tri-State.  And, as I've said before, this is the
>> first time I have seen such an advertisement in Moscow.  I checked a few
>> things out, such as its website, phone number, etc. etc. etc. (Hey, I
>> needed something to pass the time while my wife was shopping at Tri-State).
>>
>> The more I dug, the more red flags I found.  The more red flags I found,
>> the more I dug.  I have so many info sources, concerning the NFT Academy,
>> bookmarked for reference I am thinking of discarding half of 'em.
>>
>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>> "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students.  The college
>> students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
>>
>> - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
>>
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Sunil Ramalingam <<sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>> sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>   I've taken such a class and in the past had a concealed weapon permit;
>> who knows, I may again. I don't think this class is a big deal.
>>
>> Sunil
>>
>>  From: <thansen at moscow.com>thansen at moscow.com
>> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:41:58 -0700
>> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is Promoting . .
>> .
>>
>>   The primary reason this caught my eye . . .
>>
>> I have lived here in Moscow for just over twenty years.  The is the FIRST
>> time I have seen concealed-weapon classes openly advertised in town.
>>  Couple that up with the increasing paranoia, as a result of the recent
>> instances in Aurora (Colorado) and Milwaukee (Wisconsin), and I feel I have
>> a right to be curious.
>>
>> BTW, the NFT Academy website has only been in existence since April 2012
>> and was not publicly released until June 12, 2012 (TWO MONTHS AGO).
>>
>>
>> <http://fiddlerstudios.com/created-by-fs/announcing-the-national-firearms-training-academy-website/>
>> http://fiddlerstudios.com/created-by-fs/announcing-the-national-firearms-training-academy-website/
>>
>> I have more info to share, concerning the NFT Academy and its website,
>> but let's see where this thread leads.
>>
>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>> "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students.  The college
>> students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
>>
>> - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
>>
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2012, at 3:09 PM, Sunil Ramalingam <<sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>> sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>   Something legal? The nerve! Next they'll be selling guns!
>>
>> Sunil
>>
>> From: <thansen at moscow.com>thansen at moscow.com
>> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:24:56 -0700
>> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: [Vision2020] Look See What Tri-State is Promoting . . .
>>
>>
>>
>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>> "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students.  The college students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
>>
>>
>> - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
>>
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