[Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is Promoting . . .
Paul Rumelhart
godshatter at yahoo.com
Sat Aug 11 11:48:51 PDT 2012
Despite Tom Hansen's assumptions, I don't really have a position on this
topic, other than the simple positions that conceal carry can be a good
thing and that someone who does so needs to be well trained and wise in
their use of a weapon.
I just think it's an interesting thing to think about. What would I do
if I were in that theater and happened to have a weapon concealed on my
person? I'm still unsure about the answer to that.
I don't know that we *can* prevent things like this from happening
without becoming something as a society that we'd rather not be. Bad
things happen. Personally, I'd rather have the option of shooting back
when they do.
Paul
On 08/11/2012 10:36 AM, Scott Dredge wrote:
> Paul,
>
> I agree with some of your position, but just packing heat in itself
> isn't enough especially when you consider the 'frenzied crowd' part of
> the equation where panic takes over instead of cooler heads
> prevailing. You'd really need someone who was combat trained or who
> had otherwise been involved in shootouts (police officer probably) who
> knew how to keep calm and when the proper time was to draw, aim, and
> fire to diffuse the whole chaotic scene.
>
> Columbine, Aurora, Virginia Tech to name a few were horrific and
> unexpected situations. I think it's a tough problem to try and
> prevent these and / or stop them once they mayhem has started. :(
>
> -Scott
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 09:57:26 -0700
> From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is Promoting
> . . .
>
>
> Yes, you'd have to be damn sure about your line of fire. Firing in the
> middle of a frenzied crowd running panicked for the exits would surely
> be asking for trouble. However, it's my understanding that for a
> while during the shooting the shooter had complete control of the
> situation. Anyone trying to leave was shot. Many people were playing
> dead in the hopes they would be passed over. Firing on the shooter,
> even if he's in body armor, might distract him enough that some people
> might have made it to the exits. Body armor doesn't make you
> invincible, depending on the armor and the caliber of the weapon used
> you might still have made an impact, since he'd still be hit by the
> blunt force of the bullet. In this situation, though, you would
> probably also have been shot dead shortly after because he was so well
> prepared (vest, leggings, throat protector, groin protector, and a
> helmet with a visor). Who knows? Telling a loved one "when I start
> shooting, RUN for the exit and don't stop" might have worked.
>
> Most other shootings like this we've heard about haven't involved such
> a heavily armored assailant. In fact, quite a few of them have taken
> place in areas where gun use is often restricted, such as in schools
> or on university campuses. Harris and Kliebold wore T-shirts and cargo
> pants at Columbine. A student who had happened to have smuggled a gun
> into the school might have been able to have had a real impact on that
> event.
>
> An interesting thing to think about, in my opinion. Apparently, that
> opinion is not shared on this list.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 08/11/2012 08:13 AM, Art Deco wrote:
>
> It's hard to think of something more foolish than someone or ones
> with a hand gun in a disorganized, panicky crowd trying to shoot a
> person with a automatic weapon shielded by body armor. How many
> more victims would be added to the final body count?
>
> Didn't something like this happen in the Moscow Massacre?
>
> w.
>
> On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 7:02 AM, Donovan Arnold
> <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> <mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> Tom,
> While your wife if shopping Tri-State, you should be to. I
> mean come on, support your community why don't you. :)
> Donovan J. Arnold
>
> *From:* Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com
> <mailto:thansen at moscow.com>>
> *To:* Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> <mailto:sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>>
> *Cc:* "<vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>>"
> <vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2012 6:47 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is
> Promoting . . .
>
> You may very well be right, Sunil.
>
> It's just a habit I have acquired while in the service. Trust
> those around you, but keep your powder dry.
>
> I saw the poster at Tri-State. And, as I've said before, this
> is the first time I have seen such an advertisement in Moscow.
> I checked a few things out, such as its website, phone
> number, etc. etc. etc. (Hey, I needed something to pass the
> time while my wife was shopping at Tri-State).
>
> The more I dug, the more red flags I found. The more red
> flags I found, the more I dug. I have so many info sources,
> concerning the NFT Academy, bookmarked for reference I am
> thinking of discarding half of 'em.
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students.
> The college students are not very active in local elections
> (thank goodness!)."
>
> - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
>
> On Aug 10, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Sunil Ramalingam
> <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> <mailto:sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I've taken such a class and in the past had a concealed
> weapon permit; who knows, I may again. I don't think this
> class is a big deal.
>
> Sunil
>
> From: thansen at moscow.com <mailto:thansen at moscow.com>
> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:41:58 -0700
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State
> is Promoting . . .
>
> The primary reason this caught my eye . . .
>
> I have lived here in Moscow for just over twenty years.
> The is the FIRST time I have seen concealed-weapon
> classes openly advertised in town. Couple that up with
> the increasing paranoia, as a result of the recent
> instances in Aurora (Colorado) and Milwaukee (Wisconsin),
> and I feel I have a right to be curious.
>
> BTW, the NFT Academy website has only been in existence
> since April 2012 and was not publicly released until June
> 12, 2012 (TWO MONTHS AGO).
>
> http://fiddlerstudios.com/created-by-fs/announcing-the-national-firearms-training-academy-website/
> I have more info to share, concerning the NFT Academy and
> its website, but let's see where this thread leads.
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college
> students. The college students are not very active in
> local elections (thank goodness!)."
>
> - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
>
> On Aug 10, 2012, at 3:09 PM, Sunil Ramalingam
> <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> <mailto:sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Something legal? The nerve! Next they'll be selling guns!
>
> Sunil
>
> From: thansen at moscow.com <mailto:thansen at moscow.com>
> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:24:56 -0700
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject: [Vision2020] Look See What Tri-State is
> Promoting . . .
>
>
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
>
>
> - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
>
>
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