[Vision2020] Boy Scout files reveal repeat abuse, report says

Paul Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
Tue Aug 7 18:17:20 PDT 2012


Making no judgments either way, but I bet if someone asked Doug he would 
say that he is convinced that this one person repented his sins.

Paul

On 08/07/2012 05:48 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:
> Doug and Dale are like a lot of conservatives that I know.  They have 
> rigid view how people should behave and be punished based on their 
> misinterpretation of 'the word of God'.  And then someone that they 
> know up close and personal gets into a complicated situation and for 
> that person, this rigid punishment no longer applies for this 
> particular instance.  I remember Doug posting something on V2020 years 
> ago about divorce was blessing considering some of the bad marriages 
> he had seen / counseled. I don't disagree with that.  Would Doug write 
> a letter to the judge just because the 'parents had lots of money 
> which they showered' on him?  I doubt it.  I don't think it was a tit 
> for tat.  My guess would be that Doug knew the parents up close and 
> personal and he writes that he spent time counseling the perp which he 
> then got to know up close and personal and then he accordingly wrote 
> the letter to the judge.  Me personally, I think the sentence should 
> have been swift and severe, and after his incarceration (if it ever 
> ended), the perp ought to never be allowed around anyone under the age 
> of 18. Period.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:18:12 -0700
> From: art.deco.studios at gmail.com
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Boy Scout files reveal repeat abuse, report says
>
> Tom,
>
> Surely the Douglas Wilson who wrote the letter you displayed cannot be 
> the same Douglas Wilson who wrote
> on page 85 of /Fidelity,/ explaining how pedophiles should be dealt 
> with: *"But when we are dealing with young children who are abused by 
> adults (pederasty, child porn, etc.) the penalty for those guilt of 
> the crime should be death"*
>
> Surely no one could be that corrupt, hypocritical, venial, and 
> dishonest, and at the same time call himself a pastor of the Christian 
> faith.
>
> w.
>
> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com 
> <mailto:moscowcares at moscow.com>> wrote:
>
>     Or how about . . .
>
>     "Uh, how about a one-strike law.  Death doesn't seem too extreme
>     for a level-3 sex offender."
>
>     - Dale Courtney (August 3, 2005)
>
>
>     Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
>     Tom Hansen
>     Moscow, Idaho
>
>     "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students.  The
>     college students are not very active in local elections (thank
>     goodness!)."
>
>     - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
>
>     On Aug 6, 2012, at 5:09 PM, Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com
>     <mailto:art.deco.studios at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         Surely this can't be the same Douglas Wilson who once strongly
>         and unequivocally advocated the death penalty for child
>         molesters like Steven Sitler.  Surely no one could be that big
>         of a hypocrite especially where innocent children are
>         involved.  Surely no decent, ethical, and empathetic human
>         would change his mind just because the pervert's parents had
>         lots of money which they showered on the writer of the letter.
>
>         w.
>
>         On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com
>         <mailto:thansen at moscow.com>> wrote:
>
>             A local enabler and protector?
>
>             Somebody like . . .
>             <image.jpeg>
>             <image.jpeg>
>
>
>             Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
>             Tom Hansen
>             Moscow, Idaho
>
>             "If not us, who?
>             If not now, when?"
>
>             - Unknown
>
>             On Aug 6, 2012, at 4:34 PM, Art Deco
>             <art.deco.studios at gmail.com
>             <mailto:art.deco.studios at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>                 Doesn't he have a local enabler and protector? 
>                 Perhaps you have a photo of him.
>
>                 w.
>
>                 On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Moscow Cares
>                 <moscowcares at moscow.com
>                 <mailto:moscowcares at moscow.com>> wrote:
>
>                     Correction:
>
>                     118 East Fourth Street (Moscow, Idaho), the
>                     address of the Moscow Police Department, is listed
>                     as Mr. Sitler's "college address".
>
>                     http://isp.idaho.gov/sor_id/SOR?id=6787&sz=985
>
>                     Hmmm.
>
>                     Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
>                     Tom Hansen
>
>                     Moscow, Idaho
>
>                     *From:*vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>                     <mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com>
>                     [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>                     <mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com>] *On Behalf
>                     Of *Moscow Cares
>                     *Sent:* Monday, August 06, 2012 4:05 PM
>                     *To:* Art Deco
>                     *Cc:* vision2020 at moscow.com
>                     <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
>                     *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Boy Scout files reveal
>                     repeat abuse, report says
>
>                     Courtesy of the Idaho State Police at:
>
>                     http://isp.idaho.gov/sor_id/SOR?id=6787&sz=985
>
>
>
>
>
>                     Mr. Sitler's address is 118 East Fourth Street
>                     (Moscow, Idaho) which coincides with the address
>                     of the Moscow Police Department.  Anybody care to
>                     inquire?
>
>                     Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
>                     Tom Hansen
>
>                     Moscow, Idaho
>
>                     "If not us, who?
>
>                     If not now, when?"
>
>                     - Unknown
>
>
>                     On Aug 6, 2012, at 3:50 PM, Art Deco
>                     <art.deco.studios at gmail.com
>                     <mailto:art.deco.studios at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>                         I think I get it.  You wouldn't happen to have
>                         a recent photo, would you?  That would remove
>                         all doubt.
>
>                         w.
>
>                         On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Tom Hansen
>                         <thansen at moscow.com
>                         <mailto:thansen at moscow.com>> wrote:
>
>                         Something like . . .
>
>                         <image.jpeg>
>
>                         Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
>                         Tom Hansen
>
>                         Moscow, Idaho
>
>                         "If not us, who?
>
>                         If not now, when?"
>
>                         - Unknown
>
>
>                         On Aug 6, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Art Deco
>                         <art.deco.studios at gmail.com
>                         <mailto:art.deco.studios at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>                             Gee Tom, I wonder who it could be.  Maybe
>                             you could post a link or two to help me
>                             figure it out.  If there any links
>                             pointing to a letter describing an
>                             incident with a two year old, that would
>                             maybe narrow it down a bit.
>
>                             Puzzled,
>
>                             w.
>
>                             On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Tom Hansen
>                             <thansen at moscow.com
>                             <mailto:thansen at moscow.com>> wrote:
>
>                             An anti-gay organization that shelters
>                             child abusers?
>
>                             Gee, Wayne.  That sounds somewhat very
>                             familiar.
>
>                             Nah!  Nothing like that could happen here
>                             in Moscow . . . huh.
>
>                             Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
>                             Tom Hansen
>
>                             Moscow, Idaho
>
>                             "If not us, who?
>
>                             If not now, when?"
>
>                             - Unknown
>
>
>                             On Aug 6, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Art Deco
>                             <art.deco.studios at gmail.com
>                             <mailto:art.deco.studios at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>                                 <http://www.spokesman.com/>
>
>
>                                           August 6, 2012
>
>
>                                   Boy Scout files reveal repeat abuse,
>                                   report says
>
>                                 Jason Felch
>                                 Los Angeles Times
>
>                                 LOS ANGELES -- For nearly a century,
>                                 the Boy Scouts of America has relied
>                                 on a confidential blacklist known as
>                                 the "perversion files" as a crucial
>                                 line of defense against sexual predators.
>                                 Scouting officials say they've used
>                                 the files to prevent hundreds of men
>                                 who had been expelled for alleged
>                                 sexual abuse from returning to the
>                                 ranks. They've fought hard in court to
>                                 keep the records from public view,
>                                 saying confidentiality was needed to
>                                 protect victims, witnesses and anyone
>                                 falsely accused.
>                                 "It is a fact that Scouts are safer
>                                 because the barrier created by these
>                                 files is real," Scouts Chief Executive
>                                 Robert Mazzuca said in video posted on
>                                 the organization's website in June.
>                                 That barrier, however, has been
>                                 breached repeatedly.
>                                 A Los Angeles Times review of more
>                                 than 1,200 files dating from 1970 to
>                                 1991 found more than 125 cases across
>                                 the country in which men allegedly
>                                 continued to molest Scouts after the
>                                 organization was first presented with
>                                 detailed allegations of abusive behavior.
>                                 Predators slipped back into the
>                                 program by falsifying personal
>                                 information or skirting the
>                                 registration process. Others were able
>                                 to jump from troop to troop around the
>                                 country thanks to clerical errors,
>                                 computer glitches or the Scouts'
>                                 failure to check the blacklist.
>                                 In some cases, officials failed to
>                                 document reports of abuse in the first
>                                 place, letting offenders stay in the
>                                 organization until new allegations
>                                 surfaced. In others, officials
>                                 documented abuse but merely suspended
>                                 the accused leader or allowed him to
>                                 continue working with boys while
>                                 on "probation."
>                                 In at least 50 cases, the Boy Scouts
>                                 expelled suspected abusers, only to
>                                 discover later that they had
>                                 re-entered the program and were
>                                 accused of molesting again.
>                                 "Basically, there were no controls,"
>                                 said Bill Dworin, a retired Los
>                                 Angeles police expert on child sexual
>                                 abuse who reviewed hundreds of the
>                                 files as a witness for an Oregon man
>                                 abused by his troop leader in the 1980s.
>                                 In response to the Times' findings,
>                                 the Scouts issued a statement that
>                                 said in part:
>                                 "The Boy Scouts of America believes
>                                 even a single instance of abuse is
>                                 unacceptable, and we regret there have
>                                 been times when the BSA's best efforts
>                                 to protect children were insufficient.
>                                 For that we are very sorry and extend
>                                 our deepest sympathies to victims. ...
>                                 We are committed to the ongoing
>                                 enhancement of our program, in line
>                                 with evolving best practices for
>                                 protecting youth."
>                                 The Scouts have maintained "ineligible
>                                 volunteer" files in one form or
>                                 another since at least 1919 to keep
>                                 track of men who failed to meet
>                                 Scouting's moral standards. Files that
>                                 involved allegations of child sexual
>                                 abuse were dubbed "perversion files."
>                                 A master list of those banned from
>                                 Scouting has been computerized since
>                                 1975 and is used to vet applicants for
>                                 volunteer and paid positions.
>                                 Only a select few in Scouting have
>                                 access to the files, which are kept in
>                                 15 locked cabinets at Scout
>                                 headquarters in Irving, Texas. But
>                                 over the years, hundreds of the files
>                                 have been admitted as evidence,
>                                 usually under seal, in lawsuits by
>                                 former Scouts alleging a pattern of
>                                 abuse in the organization.
>                                 Many of the files will soon be made
>                                 public as a result of an Oregon
>                                 Supreme Court decision. The court, in
>                                 response to a petition by the
>                                 Oregonian, the Associated Press, the
>                                 New York Times and other media
>                                 organizations, ordered the release of
>                                 1,247 files from 1965 to 1984 that had
>                                 been admitted as evidence, under seal,
>                                 in the 2010 lawsuit.
>                                 In anticipation of the release,
>                                 attorneys for the Boy Scouts conducted
>                                 an informal review of 829 of the
>                                 files, saying they sought to put the
>                                 contents in perspective. The Scouts
>                                 said the review found 175 instances in
>                                 which the files prevented men who'd
>                                 been banned for alleged abuse from
>                                 reentering the program.
>                                 The Times analyzed an overlapping,
>                                 though broader and more recent, set of
>                                 files, which were submitted in a
>                                 California court case in 1992. Their
>                                 contents vary but often include
>                                 biographical information on the
>                                 accused, witness statements, police
>                                 reports, parent complaints, news
>                                 clippings, and correspondence between
>                                 local Boy Scout officials and
>                                 national headquarters.
>                                 The accounts that emerge are often
>                                 incomplete. But the Scouts ultimately
>                                 deemed the allegations sufficiently
>                                 credible to expel the suspected abusers.
>                                 Today, the Boy Scouts of America says
>                                 it continues to use the confidential
>                                 files as part of its efforts to
>                                 prevent child abuse. In recent
>                                 decades, it has added other protective
>                                 measures. In 1988, for instance,
>                                 Scouting did away with probation; its
>                                 policy now is to expel anyone
>                                 suspected in "good faith" of abuse. In
>                                 2008, criminal background checks were
>                                 required on all volunteers, and in
>                                 2010 the organization required all
>                                 suspected abuse to be reported to
>                                 law enforcement.
>                                 The extent to which these measures
>                                 have succeeded is impossible to gauge:
>                                 The Scouts continue to fight in court
>                                 against the release of more recent files.
>
>                                 __________________________________________
>
>                                 No real surprises here for anyone
>                                 familiar with the problem:
>
>                                 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/03/19/21325
>
>                                 http://ldssexchildabuse.blogspot.com/
>
>                                 http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/02/15/34213.htm
>
>                                 For many, many more similar cases,
>                                 Google: mormon "boy scouts" "sexual abuse"
>
>                                 -- 
>                                 Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
>                                 art.deco.studios at gmail.com
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