[Vision2020] Boy Scout files reveal repeat abuse, report says
Paul Rumelhart
godshatter at yahoo.com
Tue Aug 7 18:17:20 PDT 2012
Making no judgments either way, but I bet if someone asked Doug he would
say that he is convinced that this one person repented his sins.
Paul
On 08/07/2012 05:48 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:
> Doug and Dale are like a lot of conservatives that I know. They have
> rigid view how people should behave and be punished based on their
> misinterpretation of 'the word of God'. And then someone that they
> know up close and personal gets into a complicated situation and for
> that person, this rigid punishment no longer applies for this
> particular instance. I remember Doug posting something on V2020 years
> ago about divorce was blessing considering some of the bad marriages
> he had seen / counseled. I don't disagree with that. Would Doug write
> a letter to the judge just because the 'parents had lots of money
> which they showered' on him? I doubt it. I don't think it was a tit
> for tat. My guess would be that Doug knew the parents up close and
> personal and he writes that he spent time counseling the perp which he
> then got to know up close and personal and then he accordingly wrote
> the letter to the judge. Me personally, I think the sentence should
> have been swift and severe, and after his incarceration (if it ever
> ended), the perp ought to never be allowed around anyone under the age
> of 18. Period.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:18:12 -0700
> From: art.deco.studios at gmail.com
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Boy Scout files reveal repeat abuse, report says
>
> Tom,
>
> Surely the Douglas Wilson who wrote the letter you displayed cannot be
> the same Douglas Wilson who wrote
> on page 85 of /Fidelity,/ explaining how pedophiles should be dealt
> with: *"But when we are dealing with young children who are abused by
> adults (pederasty, child porn, etc.) the penalty for those guilt of
> the crime should be death"*
>
> Surely no one could be that corrupt, hypocritical, venial, and
> dishonest, and at the same time call himself a pastor of the Christian
> faith.
>
> w.
>
> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com
> <mailto:moscowcares at moscow.com>> wrote:
>
> Or how about . . .
>
> "Uh, how about a one-strike law. Death doesn't seem too extreme
> for a level-3 sex offender."
>
> - Dale Courtney (August 3, 2005)
>
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The
> college students are not very active in local elections (thank
> goodness!)."
>
> - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
>
> On Aug 6, 2012, at 5:09 PM, Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com
> <mailto:art.deco.studios at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Surely this can't be the same Douglas Wilson who once strongly
> and unequivocally advocated the death penalty for child
> molesters like Steven Sitler. Surely no one could be that big
> of a hypocrite especially where innocent children are
> involved. Surely no decent, ethical, and empathetic human
> would change his mind just because the pervert's parents had
> lots of money which they showered on the writer of the letter.
>
> w.
>
> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com
> <mailto:thansen at moscow.com>> wrote:
>
> A local enabler and protector?
>
> Somebody like . . .
> <image.jpeg>
> <image.jpeg>
>
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "If not us, who?
> If not now, when?"
>
> - Unknown
>
> On Aug 6, 2012, at 4:34 PM, Art Deco
> <art.deco.studios at gmail.com
> <mailto:art.deco.studios at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Doesn't he have a local enabler and protector?
> Perhaps you have a photo of him.
>
> w.
>
> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Moscow Cares
> <moscowcares at moscow.com
> <mailto:moscowcares at moscow.com>> wrote:
>
> Correction:
>
> 118 East Fourth Street (Moscow, Idaho), the
> address of the Moscow Police Department, is listed
> as Mr. Sitler's "college address".
>
> http://isp.idaho.gov/sor_id/SOR?id=6787&sz=985
>
> Hmmm.
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
>
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> *From:*vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> <mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com>
> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> <mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com>] *On Behalf
> Of *Moscow Cares
> *Sent:* Monday, August 06, 2012 4:05 PM
> *To:* Art Deco
> *Cc:* vision2020 at moscow.com
> <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Boy Scout files reveal
> repeat abuse, report says
>
> Courtesy of the Idaho State Police at:
>
> http://isp.idaho.gov/sor_id/SOR?id=6787&sz=985
>
>
>
>
>
> Mr. Sitler's address is 118 East Fourth Street
> (Moscow, Idaho) which coincides with the address
> of the Moscow Police Department. Anybody care to
> inquire?
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
>
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "If not us, who?
>
> If not now, when?"
>
> - Unknown
>
>
> On Aug 6, 2012, at 3:50 PM, Art Deco
> <art.deco.studios at gmail.com
> <mailto:art.deco.studios at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I think I get it. You wouldn't happen to have
> a recent photo, would you? That would remove
> all doubt.
>
> w.
>
> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Tom Hansen
> <thansen at moscow.com
> <mailto:thansen at moscow.com>> wrote:
>
> Something like . . .
>
> <image.jpeg>
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
>
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "If not us, who?
>
> If not now, when?"
>
> - Unknown
>
>
> On Aug 6, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Art Deco
> <art.deco.studios at gmail.com
> <mailto:art.deco.studios at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Gee Tom, I wonder who it could be. Maybe
> you could post a link or two to help me
> figure it out. If there any links
> pointing to a letter describing an
> incident with a two year old, that would
> maybe narrow it down a bit.
>
> Puzzled,
>
> w.
>
> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Tom Hansen
> <thansen at moscow.com
> <mailto:thansen at moscow.com>> wrote:
>
> An anti-gay organization that shelters
> child abusers?
>
> Gee, Wayne. That sounds somewhat very
> familiar.
>
> Nah! Nothing like that could happen here
> in Moscow . . . huh.
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
>
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "If not us, who?
>
> If not now, when?"
>
> - Unknown
>
>
> On Aug 6, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Art Deco
> <art.deco.studios at gmail.com
> <mailto:art.deco.studios at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> <http://www.spokesman.com/>
>
>
> August 6, 2012
>
>
> Boy Scout files reveal repeat abuse,
> report says
>
> Jason Felch
> Los Angeles Times
>
> LOS ANGELES -- For nearly a century,
> the Boy Scouts of America has relied
> on a confidential blacklist known as
> the "perversion files" as a crucial
> line of defense against sexual predators.
> Scouting officials say they've used
> the files to prevent hundreds of men
> who had been expelled for alleged
> sexual abuse from returning to the
> ranks. They've fought hard in court to
> keep the records from public view,
> saying confidentiality was needed to
> protect victims, witnesses and anyone
> falsely accused.
> "It is a fact that Scouts are safer
> because the barrier created by these
> files is real," Scouts Chief Executive
> Robert Mazzuca said in video posted on
> the organization's website in June.
> That barrier, however, has been
> breached repeatedly.
> A Los Angeles Times review of more
> than 1,200 files dating from 1970 to
> 1991 found more than 125 cases across
> the country in which men allegedly
> continued to molest Scouts after the
> organization was first presented with
> detailed allegations of abusive behavior.
> Predators slipped back into the
> program by falsifying personal
> information or skirting the
> registration process. Others were able
> to jump from troop to troop around the
> country thanks to clerical errors,
> computer glitches or the Scouts'
> failure to check the blacklist.
> In some cases, officials failed to
> document reports of abuse in the first
> place, letting offenders stay in the
> organization until new allegations
> surfaced. In others, officials
> documented abuse but merely suspended
> the accused leader or allowed him to
> continue working with boys while
> on "probation."
> In at least 50 cases, the Boy Scouts
> expelled suspected abusers, only to
> discover later that they had
> re-entered the program and were
> accused of molesting again.
> "Basically, there were no controls,"
> said Bill Dworin, a retired Los
> Angeles police expert on child sexual
> abuse who reviewed hundreds of the
> files as a witness for an Oregon man
> abused by his troop leader in the 1980s.
> In response to the Times' findings,
> the Scouts issued a statement that
> said in part:
> "The Boy Scouts of America believes
> even a single instance of abuse is
> unacceptable, and we regret there have
> been times when the BSA's best efforts
> to protect children were insufficient.
> For that we are very sorry and extend
> our deepest sympathies to victims. ...
> We are committed to the ongoing
> enhancement of our program, in line
> with evolving best practices for
> protecting youth."
> The Scouts have maintained "ineligible
> volunteer" files in one form or
> another since at least 1919 to keep
> track of men who failed to meet
> Scouting's moral standards. Files that
> involved allegations of child sexual
> abuse were dubbed "perversion files."
> A master list of those banned from
> Scouting has been computerized since
> 1975 and is used to vet applicants for
> volunteer and paid positions.
> Only a select few in Scouting have
> access to the files, which are kept in
> 15 locked cabinets at Scout
> headquarters in Irving, Texas. But
> over the years, hundreds of the files
> have been admitted as evidence,
> usually under seal, in lawsuits by
> former Scouts alleging a pattern of
> abuse in the organization.
> Many of the files will soon be made
> public as a result of an Oregon
> Supreme Court decision. The court, in
> response to a petition by the
> Oregonian, the Associated Press, the
> New York Times and other media
> organizations, ordered the release of
> 1,247 files from 1965 to 1984 that had
> been admitted as evidence, under seal,
> in the 2010 lawsuit.
> In anticipation of the release,
> attorneys for the Boy Scouts conducted
> an informal review of 829 of the
> files, saying they sought to put the
> contents in perspective. The Scouts
> said the review found 175 instances in
> which the files prevented men who'd
> been banned for alleged abuse from
> reentering the program.
> The Times analyzed an overlapping,
> though broader and more recent, set of
> files, which were submitted in a
> California court case in 1992. Their
> contents vary but often include
> biographical information on the
> accused, witness statements, police
> reports, parent complaints, news
> clippings, and correspondence between
> local Boy Scout officials and
> national headquarters.
> The accounts that emerge are often
> incomplete. But the Scouts ultimately
> deemed the allegations sufficiently
> credible to expel the suspected abusers.
> Today, the Boy Scouts of America says
> it continues to use the confidential
> files as part of its efforts to
> prevent child abuse. In recent
> decades, it has added other protective
> measures. In 1988, for instance,
> Scouting did away with probation; its
> policy now is to expel anyone
> suspected in "good faith" of abuse. In
> 2008, criminal background checks were
> required on all volunteers, and in
> 2010 the organization required all
> suspected abuse to be reported to
> law enforcement.
> The extent to which these measures
> have succeeded is impossible to gauge:
> The Scouts continue to fight in court
> against the release of more recent files.
>
> __________________________________________
>
> No real surprises here for anyone
> familiar with the problem:
>
> http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/03/19/21325
>
> http://ldssexchildabuse.blogspot.com/
>
> http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/02/15/34213.htm
>
> For many, many more similar cases,
> Google: mormon "boy scouts" "sexual abuse"
>
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