[Vision2020] AGAIN -- Gallons per mile
Gier, Nicholas
NGIER at uidaho.edu
Fri Sep 30 16:12:38 PDT 2011
Hi Kai,
I thought you moved? Nice to still have you on the viz.
My understanding from the good people at Fightingoliath.org is that Imperial Oil ships all its fuel in from Canada, giving one more blow to the argument that the megaloads are good for the Idaho economy.
Nick
Nicholas F. Gier, Professor Emeritus
Department of Philosophy, University of Idaho
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Subject: Re: [Vision2020] AGAIN -- Gallons per mile
If someone can give me a shotgun rundown/inventory of a megaload convoy, I can shotgun the math.
(Like a "typical megaload convoy has: X support vehicles, Y ISP escort vehicles.". etc etc).
It would be an interesting exercise.
Jay
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Bill London
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 3:54 PM
To: Donovan Arnold; Tom Hansen; Kai Eiselein
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Subject: [Vision2020] AGAIN -- Gallons per mile
I'll try again:
regarding the convoy of vehicles that accompanied/transported the megaloads through Moscow last night, how many gallons of fuel were required for those vehicles to drive one mile (the cumulative total of fuel consumption for all the vehicles in the convoy)?
BL
From: Donovan Arnold <mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [Correction] Gallons per mile
A normal modern diesel run tracker trailer gets about 5-10 miles to the gallon. I could typically drive about 800-900 miles on a 110 gallon tank, but I was a slow driver driving with a GVW well under 80,000 most the time.
However, there are several factors that impact that number. The weight of the load, the speed of the truck, how old or new the truck is, the condition of the wheels and tires, how many hills and the grades of the steep hills. How many times it starts and stops. Also, some truck drivers leave their trucks running during the night because they sleep in them or do not want them to freeze up, others do not.
These trucks are probably only getting about 1-3 mpg on a good day. But that is just my guess. I have never driven a load with 500,000 GVW, as the law only allows for 80,000, and not many loads go way beyond that even with a special permit.
Donovan Arnold
From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
To: Kai Eiselein <fotopro63 at hotmail.com>
Cc: "<vision2020 at moscow.com>" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [Correction] Gallons per mile
All the vehicles associated with transporting the Megaloads run on diesel fuel, Mr. Eiselein?
I seriously doubt that the convoy escort, an ISP cruiser, that pulled me over just north of Genesee last night runs on diesel.
And how about the multitude of lead and trail vehicles? I seriously doubt that ANY of them run on diesel.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
On Sep 30, 2011, at 12:06, Kai Eiselein <fotopro63 at hotmail.com> wrote:
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The haul trucks use 0 gallons of gas per mile.
They run on diesel fuel.
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> Given the number of vehicles used to transport the megaloads through Moscow, how many gallons of gas do those vehicles burn (cumulative total) every mile?
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> If you count the ISP sedans, the pickups, the various ambulances, trucks with flashing lights, and the actual haul trucks, that?s a lot of gas......
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> Any idea how much per mile?
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> The Moscow Food Co-op?s Festival of Fair Trade in October will present ?From one farmer to another: Postcards in Solidarity? by Indian Tea Growers and Guatemalan Coffee Growers. The educational show will open Friday, October 7 and runs through Wednesday, November 9. The exhibit will have images and handwritten postcards that illustrate daily life, common struggles, and shared hope that Fair Trade has brought to these communities.
> The Co-op is located at 121 East Fifth Street in downtown Moscow.
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> October 25: Bart Budwig of Moscow, Idaho Alternative country and blues.
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> From: Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com>
> To: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] On Chris Christie . . .
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> Roger Falen suggests:
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> "Obama is going down."
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> Care for a friendly wager, Mr. Falen?
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> If President Obama is reelected, you will pick up the tab for a dinner for my spouse and I at a restaurant of our choosing here in Moscow.
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> If President Obama is not reelected, I will pick up the tab for a dinner for you and a guest at a restaurant of your choosing here in Moscow. I will even convert my Canadian dollars before I make payment.
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> Deal?
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> Seeya round town, Moscow.
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> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
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> "When all is said and done, have you done or said enough? Have you just gone along for the ride, or have you steered destiny's hotrod? When you leave this world, did you make it any better than it was when you arrived? All you need is all you've got: your wits and the clothes on your back. Your epitaph is yours to earn. Your legacy is yours to make."
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> - Author Unknown
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> On Sep 30, 2011, at 11:03, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
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> > No, I mean eight. Obama is going down.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: "Shirley Ringo" ringoshirl at moscow.com
> > Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 10:56:56 -0700
> > To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com, "Jay Borden" jborden at datawedge.com, "Tom Hansen" thansen at moscow.com, "Moscow Vision 2020" vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] On Chris Christie . . .
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> >> I think you mean in four years, after Obama's next term is completed.
> >>
> >> Shirley
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> >> To: "Jay Borden" <jborden at datawedge.com>; "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>;
> >> "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:19 AM
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> >>> Chis Christie is great, but this in not his time. Look for him to be front
> >>> and center in eight years.
> >>> Roger
> >>> -----Original message-----
> >>> From: "Jay Borden" jborden at datawedge.com
> >>> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 09:14:53 -0700
> >>> To: "Tom Hansen" thansen at moscow.com, "Moscow Vision 2020"
> >>> vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] On Chris Christie . . .
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> >>>> I believe Chris Christie is one of the most exciting conservative
> >>>> figures to emerge in recent years.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's a shame he doesn't want to run (despite repeated GOP pleadings).
> >>>>
> >>>> (Of course, to paraphrase Andy Rooney: "We need a president who's smart
> >>>> enough to not want the job in the first place")
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Jay
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
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> >>>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 8:28 AM
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> >>>> Subject: [Vision2020] On Chris Christie . . .
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> >>>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
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> Subject: [Vision2020] Wen Jiabo for President? Rick Perry's Job Growth
> Deception
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> Hail to the Vision!
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> I've been meaning to post this column for some time. I plan to write a least a half dozen columns on Perry, and you can get a preview of the topics by reading the full version attached.
>
> Paul: Here is a partial answer to your question--an already damaged GOP front runner.
>
> We are sunk if Obama us bit re-elected.
>
> NFG (guess what my pear picking boss made of these initials?)
>
> WEN JIABAO FOR PRESIDENT: RICK PERRY?S JOB GROWTH DECEPTION
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> Since the end of World War II Democratic administrations have created 55.7 million jobs, while their GOP counterparts have produced only 36.2 million. As a percentage of GDP, Donkeys have presided over an average annual drop in the national debt of percent, while the Elephants have run up the debt by an average 5 percent. Under the former the economy has grown 3.6 percent while under the latter it has moved up only 2.8 percent.
>
> The reward for such incredible achievements should be to skip elections and declare a universal mandate for Democrats to rule the nation, right? There is a standard answer to such bluster: there are many factors?world economy, business cycles, and policies of previous administrations?over which no Congress or president has any control.
>
> Why then can Gov. Rick Perry claim that he should be president because, under his three terms, Texas has experienced more job growth than any other state?
>
> The four states that have created the most jobs ?New York, Pennsylvania, North Dakota, and Texas?have one major thing in common: a natural gas bonanza. Perry has been governor during a period of the highest oil prices in history and he is enjoying the increased revenue that comes from a resource for which he was not at all responsible. Now at $168 billion, oil and gas revenues have grown from 7.4 percent of the state?s economy in 1999 to 15.7 percent in 2006.
>
> A chief executive should boast about job creation only when most of the people looking are able to be employed. Half the nation?s states have unemployment rates lower than Texas at 8.4 percent?the highest in 24 years. In 2009 the rate was 7.7 percent and it went from 8.2 to 8.4 percent in July. It has been above 8 percent for 23 months. The Fiscal Times (8/12/11) reports that Texas lost 34,000 jobs in June alone, and during the Great Recession it lost 227,000 construction and manufacturing jobs.
>
> The key to Lone Star raw job growth is a huge increase in the labor force. If raw numbers were the only measure, and population and job losses are ignored, then the GOP should nominate Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao for president. With tens of millions of jobs created, Premier Wen could also top Gov. Perry?s safety and environmental violations. Perry could counter that he executes almost as many people per capita as China does. In 2009 Texas executed one criminal per million while China hung 1.2 per million.
>
> Using on 2009-2011 data, researchers from the Center for American Progress calculated net change in jobs minus net change in labor force, and found that Red State Texas actually ranks last and Blue States Michigan, New York, and Pennsylvania were the top three. New York?s increase of 98,000 jobs and Pennsylvania?s 92,000 are significant because both states have experienced slow increases in population. The 12 of the 20 states that created jobs voted for Obama in 2008.
>
> Texas leads the nation in the number of hourly-wage jobs that pay at or below the minimum wage. In 2010 the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that Texas added 211,000 positions, but 76,000 of those were at or below $7.25/hour. Since 2008 the number of these non-living wage jobs has doubled.
>
> Perry claims that he has a model that will turn the American economy around, but a policy that has been successful in luring companies to one state alone obviously cannot work nation-wide. Economist Paul Krugman plays logician: ?Perrynomics involves the fallacy of composition: every state can?t lure jobs from every other state.?
>
> The New York Times aptly illustrated the style of Perry?s Texan economic model when it ran an article about a company with an abysmal safety record. Complaining about OSHA rules, its management bragged that it would set up shop only in the Third World or Texas.
>
> Corporations have been flocking to Texas because of low wages and low taxes, just as they did in Ireland when the government lowered the corporate tax to 12.5 percent. The Irish government also reduced regulation on its banks, and now the economy has crashed after all the major banks failed.
>
> After taking a big hit in the Reagan administration created Savings and Loan crisis, Texas made sure that its mortgage laws were strong enough to prevent subprime predation among its prospective homeowners.
>
> California?s budget deficit gets all the attention, but in per capita terms Texas? is far worse. Last year Texans were in the red $740 per person, while each Californian was down $522. Because of a failed tax swap engineered by Perry, Lone Star budget deficits are now structural, which means that without tax increases there will be a $5 billion annual gap between revenue and spending for the indefinite future.
>
> Governor Perry believes that most government programs?except perhaps crop subsidies (Farmer Perry always claimed his) and NASA?are unconstitutional, and he proposes that Medicare, Medicaid, environmental and labor regulation be run by the states. This is a clear recipe for turning the entire nation into a Third World nation. In terms labor laws, worker safety, environmental regulation, health care, and social services the Lone Star State is already in that position.
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> Nick Gier taught philosophy at the University of Idaho for 31 years.
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