[Vision2020] anti-cockburn ranters

Mon Sep 12 21:16:58 PDT 2011

Roger,

If you haven't read Cockburn ripping Bill Clinton or Obama, you haven't read much of him at all. In fact, I'm pretty sure he rips them both in the column Tom posted. Unfortunately I deleted that post, so I can't be certain. 

But here's a taste from an article he wrote in 2008:

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/alexander-cockburn-obama-the-firstrate-republican-973691.html

Prescient, eh?

If you haven't read him, and that's sure how it looks, how can you say most of what he writes is b.s.? How could you possibly know?

Sunil

> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:09:48 -0700
> From: lfalen at turbonet.com
> To: deco at moscow.com; Vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] anti-cockburn ranters
> 
> Wayne
> I am tired of your condescending, egotistical crap. Tom posted the original article. As per Sagan it is up him to substantiate Cockburn's claim. 
> Sunil
> Having not read Concburn's articles on Clinton and Obama, I can not offer an opion as to whether it is b.s. or not.
> Roger
> P.S. I am busy getting ready for the fair this week. I will be there from 7:00 AM to 10:00 PM. I have chores to do before and after that so I will not have the time to respond to the nonsense on vision2020. Come by the Grange booth for some biscuits and gravy.
> -----Original message-----
> From: "Art Deco" deco at moscow.com
> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 08:39:13 -0700
> To: Vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] anti-cockburn ranters
> 
> > It is doubtful at his time of life that Roger will ever understand the need to present cogent, verifiable, and relevant evidence to substantiate a knowledge claim.
> > 
> > w.
> > 
> > 
> > From: Sunil Ramalingam 
> > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 9:44 PM
> > Cc: vision 2020 
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] anti-cockburn ranters
> > 
> > 
> > Hey Roger,
> > 
> > When Cockburn rips Bill Clinton, is that b.s.? When he rips Obama, is that b.s.?
> > 
> > Sunil
> > 
> > 
> > > Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 18:26:27 -0700
> > > From: lfalen at turbonet.com
> > > To: moscowcares at moscow.com
> > > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] anti-cockburn ranters
> > > 
> > > This is a conspiracy theory. Just for the record I do not buy into right wing conspeicies either. Those like The Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg group control the world money supply. To quote Carl Sagan "Extra ordinary claims require extra ordinary proof".
> > > 
> > > Roger
> > > -----Original message-----
> > > From: Moscow Cares moscowcares at moscow.com
> > > Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 16:27:21 -0700
> > > To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] anti-cockburn ranters
> > > 
> > > > How about naming "all of the authorities on oil use" along with links to their sites where they say things that contradict what Cockburn says.
> > > > 
> > > > You know . . . 
> > > > 
> > > > Jus' like big boys and girls do.
> > > > 
> > > > Seeya round town, Moscow.
> > > > 
> > > > Tom Hansen
> > > > Moscow, Idaho
> > > > 
> > > > "When all is said and done, have you done or said enough? Have you just gone along for the ride, or have you steered destiny's hotrod? When you leave this world, did you make it any better than it was when you arrived? All you need is all you've got: your wits and the clothes on your back. Your epitaph is yours to earn. Your legacy is yours to make."
> > > > 
> > > > - Author Unknown
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Sep 9, 2011, at 16:00, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > When all of the authorities on oil use use say the opposite. I think it is up to him to prove he is right. Do you fall for all conspiracy theories that happen to fit your ideologic prospective with out any proof that they are so?
> > > > > Roger
> > > > > -----Original message-----
> > > > > From: Tom Hansen thansen at moscow.com
> > > > > Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 15:52:48 -0700
> > > > > To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] anti-cockburn ranters
> > > > > 
> > > > >> Roger, Roger, Roger . . .
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> You were the one that said Cockburn is wrong. You were simply asked to substantiate your position, ok?
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> Seeya round town, Moscow.
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> Tom Hansen
> > > > >> Moscow, Idaho
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> "When all is said and done, have you done or said enough? Have you just gone along for the ride, or have you steered destiny's hotrod? When you leave this world, did you make it any better than it was when you arrived? All you need is all you've got: your wits and the clothes on your back. Your epitaph is yours to earn. Your legacy is yours to make."
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> - Author Unknown
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> On Sep 9, 2011, at 15:45, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> > > > >> 
> > > > >>> No, lets turn that around. All of the prevailing views have been that we are dependant on foreign oil and that OPEC controls the price. That is still so even if total energy use is gong down. I think that it is up to you to prove Cockburn is right. 
> > > > >>> Roger
> > > > >>> -----Original message-----
> > > > >>> From: "bookpeople of moscow" bookpeople at moscow.com
> > > > >>> Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 18:28:14 -0700
> > > > >>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > > >>> Subject: [Vision2020] anti-cockburn ranters
> > > > >>> 
> > > > >>>> please provide specifics as to how cockburn is wrong.
> > > > >>>> 
> > > > >>>> remember today the daily news ran an article on the decline in energy use>> 
> > > > >>>> is it possible the same could be true of gas use?
> > > > >>>> 
> > > > >>>> could the excess supply of gas allow the city of moscow to get a cheaper rate on gasoline?
> > > > >>>> 
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