[Vision2020] who pays for Megaload cops?

[Donovan Arnold]

Jay,
 
If that was the case, it would be funny. But it isn't the case.
 
Donovan Arnold

From: Jay Borden <jborden at datawedge.com>
To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>; Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
Cc: vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Friday, September 2, 2011 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] who pays for Megaload cops?


Personally, I find much of this lunacy hilarious.

Subscribers here utilize the V20 service to help organize/update on protester activity... 

... which forces additional police response as a result of successful organized protests....

... which causes the very same V20 crowd to blame Exxon for not picking up the tab....

...... for the additional police.... 

... to handle the additional protesters.

<slow clap>

Bravo folks.... bravo.

Jay

Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless

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From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>To: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>Cc: vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Sat, Sep 3, 2011 01:13:28 GMT+00:00
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] who pays for Megaload cops?
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>Here's my take on the "who pays?" issue. Exxon/Mobil has the proper permits, and is abiding by their use on a public highway. If there were no protesters, then there would be no cops needed on extra duty. Forcing Exxon/Mobil to pay is akin to a denial-of-service attack in the computer world. All you need to do, if you don't like someone or some company, is to stage a protest outside their place of business. The larger the better. Then the person or the business will have to pay for their protection from the police, regardless of whether or not they've done anything wrong. You might as well get a bunch of people to write letters in protest and then force whoever is the current target of their ire to pay for the paper, the envelopes, the postage, and their time.
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>The only way I can see a justification for Exxon/Mobil paying for the policemen on extra duty is if they specifically contracted for them in order to protect the safety of their drivers. Which leads to the question: who authorized the extra duty for the police officers - the city, the police department, Exxon/Mobil or some other group?
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>Paul
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>P.S. I snipped Mayor Cheney and Councilman Lamarr's names from the to: list. I'm sure they get enough spam as it is and can choose whether or not to read the Viz on their own cognizance.
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>On 09/02/2011 05:27 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:
>> Wayne,
>> It has already been confirmed that Exxon is not paying the cost of the > permit. You can check the donation records of Idaho Republicans if you > don't believe they are getting something for this from Exxon. And the > US Attorney General office isn't going to do anything about it either > or any other politician because they are also owned and operated by > Exxon and a handful of corporations.
>> Donovan Arnold
>>
>> *From:* Wayne Price 
>> *To:* Donovan Arnold 
>> *Cc:* Bill London ; vision2020 > ; nancy chaney ; Tom Lamar > 
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 2, 2011 6:15 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] who pays for Megaload cops?
>>
>> Donovan,
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>> IF you can prove that, contact me off line and I'll give you a point > of contact at the US Attorney's Office to get in touch with.
>>
>> WMP
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>> On Sep 2, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:
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>>> Wayne,
>>> No, they didn't. They paid the politicians to change the law and make >> the people pay for the cost of the permit.
>>> Donovan Arnold
>>>
>>> *From:* Wayne Price >
>>> *To:* Bill London >
>>> *Cc:* vision2020 > >; nancy chaney > >; Tom Lamar > >
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 2, 2011 5:35 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] who pays for Megaload cops?
>>>
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>> EXXON paid for the permit which gave them the right to transport the >> loads legally.
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>>>
>>> Wayne
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>>> On Sep 2, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Bill London wrote:
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>>>> WMP-
>>>> my point exactly
>>>> Exxon wants to play, Exxon should pay
>>>> BL
>>>> *From:* Wayne Price 
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 02, 2011 4:21 PM
>>>> *To:* Bill London 
>>>> *Cc:* vision2020 ; nancy chaney >>> ; Tom Lamar 
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] who pays for Megaload cops?
>>>> Didn't advocate making them "so expensive that those rights >>> disappear", but what is wrong with you play, YOU pay?
>>>> WMP
>>>> On Sep 2, 2011, at 4:16 PM, Bill London wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> WMP-
>>>>> so your goal is to make freedom of expression and civil >>>> disobedience so expensive that those rights disappear?
>>>>> BL
>>>>> *From:* Wayne Price 
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 02, 2011 2:05 PM
>>>>> *To:* Bill London 
>>>>> *Cc:* vision2020 ; nancy chaney >>>> ; Tom Lamar 
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] who pays for Megaload cops?
>>>>> So, some protesters show up and the local police respond and you >>>> want the folks that have the permits to pay?
>>>>> WHEN the protesters break the laws, their fines should pay for the >>>> disturbances they cause. Now, who decided some 25 additional >>>> police officers were needed?
>>>>> That dog won't hunt!
>>>>> WMP
>>>>> On Sep 2, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Bill London wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> According to newspaper reports, about 25 local cops (17 Moscow, 9 >>>>> county) were at the latest megaloads confrontation Thurs night in >>>>> downtown Moscow.
>>>>>> Who is paying for all the overtime for those officers? I called >>>>> David Duke (Moscow police chief) who said that we are. The >>>>> taxpayers. You. Me. Us. We are spending money to help the >>>>> world’s richest corporation (Exxon/Mobil) get their equipment >>>>> delivered on time.
>>>>>> Thankfully, Duke said that the city council will be discussing >>>>> this issue on Tuesday (Sept 6) at their regular meeting. I hope >>>>> the council tells Exxon to pay those costs.
>>>>>> BL
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