[Vision2020] Rick Perry's Newest Problem

Tue Oct 4 19:04:15 PDT 2011

Paul,

It really is offensive. To many. We are both white males, but let's get beyond that. Maybe I just grew up in a place where that word could literally draw gunfire (DC area), but seriously-- we're not talking Mark Twain here, as in historical literature. This is real time, 2011. Get real. I have a son. He doesn't use that word. Would you want your son using it?

Let us respect everyone until they prove themselves otherwise.

Warren Hayman

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tom Hansen 
  To: Paul Rumelhart 
  Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 6:50 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Rick Perry's Newest Problem

  Nobody said that you can't say these things, Mr. Rumelhart.

  Many of us simply find them offensive and disrespectful.  After having said those words, we expect the speaker to "man up" and defend his/her expressed spirit.

  It is called responsibility and accountability.  It's what is expected from grownup boys and girls, ok?

  Seeya round town, Moscow.

  Tom Hansen
  Moscow, Idaho

  On Oct 4, 2011, at 18:21, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:

    I'm not offended, just amused.

    If that world where people are respected is also one in which you can't say something disrespectful, then you can keep it.

    Paul

    On 10/04/2011 05:59 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote: 
      Paul,

      I guess you got your wish of living in a world where people can be offended. I personally prefer a world where people are respected.

      Donovan Arnold

      From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
      To: Rosemary Huskey <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>
      Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
      Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 6:35 PM
      Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Rick Perry's Newest Problem

      It's been hinted at today that I am both inhuman and a psychopath.

      Perhaps I should call it a night.

      Paul

      On 10/04/2011 05:03 PM, Rosemary Huskey wrote: 
        Thank you Carl for posting the link. Maybe these images will jolt some of the jackasses who pretend that they don’t understand the issues (Hello Paul and Jay) into at least an embryonic semblance of humanity.  And spare me the bullshit that  lynching is different than a rock or a creek or a mountain with a racist name. We all know that words have power that create environments where racism, sexism, classism, and homophobia flourish.  Tacit permission/acceptance of those words lead inevitably lead to bullying, physical/emotional violence and, tragically in some cases, murder.  
        Rose Huskey
        By the way, Jay, Rick Perry has good reason to claim that he had the rock painted he wants to be nominated.  Of course, by making that claim he is pointing out that it didn’t offend his daddy.  Others seem to have a different understanding of the issue.  and, until proven otherwise, I’m going with their version.

        From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Carl Westberg
        Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 12:45 PM
        To: vision2020 at moscow.com
        Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Rick Perry's Newest Problem

        Leaving Rick Perry out of the equation, but to perhaps answer why "nigger" is such a supercharged word, the usage of which, while certainly legal, is for so many Americans a pejorative that goes beyond being politically incorrect.....no doubt that word was heard by these people as they died..... http://withoutsanctuary.org/     warning: horrific photographs.  The U of I library also has the book, or did when I was working there.....
        Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 10:34:29 -0700
        From: jborden at datawedge.com
        To: thansen at moscow.com; godshatter at yahoo.com
        CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
        Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Rick Perry's Newest Problem
        Didja actually *read* the article (and referenced articles) put out?  Or just fall prey to the damning headlines?

        According to the article, Perry’s father had the offending landmark painted over as soon as he came into the lease of the property.  That was nearly 30 years ago.

        Then apparently later on as the paint faded away (some 20 years ago), Perry simply had the rock turned over.

        Perry (and his family) *didn’t* allow the offensive term to be on public display when the property came under their control.

        Either:

        1)      You never read the article.
        2)      You have some facts other than what were stated in the article (in which case, “please enlighten us”).
        3)      You read the article, but chose to ignore its content and jump on the hate bandwagon-- assuming everything was a lie.

        If you are basing/spreading this rhetoric from the other parts of the article, which simply give quotes from local residents regarding “what life used to be like down there”, and then placing a *stereotype* onto Rick Perry because of where he grew up… I have news for you:   *that’s discrimination.*

        Jay

        From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Tom Hansen
        Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 8:19 AM
        To: Paul Rumelhart
        Cc: vision 2020
        Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Rick Perry's Newest Problem

        Paul Rumelhart inquires:

        "Can't we live in a world that has things others find offensive?"

        When in the public arena . . . such as a presidential candidate, for example . . . it is not only offensive, but extremely disrespectful for Rick Perry to allow the term "niggerhead" to be emblazoned on property under Perry's control on public display, especially with a black president and directly competing with Herman Cain for their party's nomination.  At bare-bones minimum, it should be considered tactically inappropriate.
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        Seeya round town, Moscow.

        Tom Hansen
        Moscow, Idaho

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