[Vision2020] Rick Perry's Newest Problem

[Betsy Dickow]

These terms lead to discrimination...and that can lead to really vile
behavior.  Use your heart as well
As your brain.
 
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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Paul Rumelhart
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 6:05 PM
To: Andreas Schou
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Rick Perry's Newest Problem


So who is doing the harming, here?  I bet that there are few if any 
people living in a place with a name like Squaw Something that actually 
participated in the founding of that name.  I bet there are few if any 
people that moved there because they dislike Native American women, 
assuming they even know that the name means something more than that.  
Why make them go through the process of renaming the town and changing 
everyone's address and whatever else the change entails just because 
some people might be offended somewhere?

I tend to go with the same rules that apply for freedom of expression.  
People don't have the right not to be offended.

And, yes, I'm not harmed here.  I just think that it's a direction we 
shouldn't head and have decided to flap my lips about it.  Or, well, my 
fingers, I guess...

Paul

On 10/03/2011 12:09 PM, Andreas Schou wrote:
> Again: there's no "we" here -- and if there is, you don't have a stake
> in it. It costs nothing to change the name, other than annoying you
> just slightly if you happen to hear about it. It aggravates, offends,
> and wounds a substantial minority otherwise.
>
> It seems like the balance of harms is distinctly against you.
>
> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Paul Rumelhart<godshatter at yahoo.com>
wrote:
>> I was using "we" in a society-inclusive way.  We (as a society) should
>> either whitewash everything or we (as a society) should grow thicker
skin.
>>   We (as a society) appear to have chosen the first option, which I
>> personally think is foolish.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On 10/03/2011 10:02 AM, Andreas Schou wrote:
>>> Notwithstanding my objection to spreading naked etymological lies:
>>>
>>> You're not "we," Paul. You are utterly unaffected by the issue.
>>>
>>> -- ACS
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Paul Rumelhart<godshatter at yahoo.com>
>>>   wrote:
>>>> My sometimes roundabout way of making a point isn't endearing me to
some
>>>> of
>>>> the readership out there in Viz-land, so I'll just come out and make my
>>>> point.  Which is that almost everything is offensive to someone on some
>>>> level, and those things that are not currently offensive may become
>>>> offensive in the future because language and culture changes.  We have
>>>> two
>>>> choices as I see it - either we whitewash everything to the point that
we
>>>> might as well not have mascots or place names more descriptive than
>>>> "Idaho
>>>> Creek 1347", or we grow a thicker skin and not get so worked up about
>>>> these
>>>> kinds of things.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Tom Hansen<thansen at moscow.com>
>>>> To: Kenneth Marcy<kmmos1 at frontier.com>
>>>> Cc: "vision2020 at moscow.com"<vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 9:08 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Rick Perry's Newest Problem
>>>>
>>>> Mr. Rumelhart -
>>>>
>>>> If victims of bear/cougar attacks or descendants of fourth- or
>>>> fifth-century
>>>> Roman ancestry feel disrespected by the University of California
>>>> (Berkeley)
>>>> mascot . . . or the Washington State University mascot . . . or the
>>>> University of Idaho mascot . . . like us, they are free to exercise
their
>>>> first amendment right and loudly (and proudly) express their discomfort
>>>> with
>>>> those mascots.
>>>>
>>>> Tom "not holding his breath" Hansen
>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 3, 2011, at 8:49, Kenneth Marcy<kmmos1 at frontier.com>    wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, October 03, 2011 07:26:10 AM Paul Rumelhart wrote:
>>>>>> It makes you wonder if someday descendants of the people murdered by
an
>>>>>> ancient East Germanic tribe when they sacked Rome and Carthage might
>>>>>> someday look in horror upon a small college town in Idaho that had
the
>>>>>> gall to name their sports team after their killers.
>>>>> The biggest problem with the Vandals sacking Rome is that they didn't
do
>>>>> it
>>>>> often enough. It's too bad they didn't get to Nicaea and
Constantinople
>>>>> in
>>>>> the
>>>>> century and a quarter prior to the Roman sack, as that may have
>>>>> prevented
>>>>> a
>>>>> lot of grief all around.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Same thing with people that have been mauled by cougars or bears.
>>>>> The descendants have less about which to complain in face of the
>>>>> realities
>>>>> of
>>>>> their ancient enemies being hunted and heated to extinction.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken
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