[Vision2020] Bill Moore - First Step Internet

[Darrell Keim]

I am not going to bother looking it up.  You may well be right legally.
Regardless, proving actual harm done would be difficult.  I stand by my
comment:
 "There are untold public bulletin boards, etc. where nasty comments are
made on a daily basis.  If there was money to be made sueing them, I'm sure
lawyers would be doing so.  Capitalism is highly efficient in that regard!"

Again, I applaud your courageous anonymous stand.


On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:13 PM, ML394 <ml394 at hushmail.com> wrote:

> Darrell:
>
> This is a very good, thoughtful response, but it is not accurate: Most
> online bulletin boards, Google groups and online forums do not promote
> posts which slander real people.
>
> Here's the distinction: If someone on this forum says, "ML394 is a
> criminal," then that's not slander.  But if someone says, "BILL MOORE is a
> thief," that is actually slander.  And the hosting company which promotes
> that slander become liable in a court of law for the content of its posts.
>
> If a hosting company makes its forum posts private, however, then it is
> not legally responsible for slanderous content.
>
> Again, look it up.
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Darrell Keim <
> keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've been familiar with 21st century privacy (or, more specifically the
> lack thereof) for some time, ML394. My snarky response was because I find
> it quite ridiculous that anyone would be upset that remarks made on a
> public board might be read by-gasp!-the public.
>
> UI see no need for 1st Step to change how V2020 works. Anyone making a
> judgement solely off what is written here would be extremely foolish.
>
> I don't think 1st Step has anything to fear RE slander. There are untold
> public bulletin boards, etc. where nasty comments are made on a daily
> basis. If there was money to be made sueing them, I'm sure lawyers would
> be doing so. Capitalism is highly efficient in that regard!
>
> Anyone who wants to look up what I have written on a public forum is free
> to do so. That is why I attach my name to my musings.
>
> Glad to see you remember my name from the Chamber. Your memory is
> excellent, as I left them some time ago. In fact they are looking for
> another director, again, even as you read this.
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 3:48 PM, ML394 <ml394 at hushmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Darrell:
> >
> > I'm glad that you're getting educated about 21st century privacy. And I
> > meant it when I said that I heard First Step Internet is going out of
> > business. A lawsuit for slander could put any small company like First
> > Step Internet out of business.
> >
> > Also, I didn't know that the Moscow Chamber of Commerce hires snarky
> staff
> > members like yourself. But that's good for business, right? But when the
> > Moscow chamber is promoting our town, a quick search through the 2020
> posts
> > can find out what you have to say, how sarcastic you are to others. "When
> > did 7th graders take over the chamber of commerce?" will be the big
> > question businesses ask when they decide on taking their business
> elsewhere.
> >
> > Good job, darrell.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Darrell Keim <
> > keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ya mean to say that people can read the things I writ and are written
> 'bout
> > me on a public board!?!
> >
> > Well, shucks. I am mighty glad you took this courageous anonymous stand,
> > ML394!
> >
> > *Shame* on First Step for providing us with a valuable free service, and
> > not doing it how y'all think is *proper.*
> >
> >
> > It is good of you to eddycate us po' innocent rubes about the danger of
> > postings on the internut.
> >
> > And you were so clever by starting with your own fake post about First
> Step
> > to make your point!
> >
> > I sure hope your occupation turns out as well as the others!
> > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 3:11 PM, ML394 <ml394 at hushmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > My name is John Q. Public. My name is the name of anyone who gets
> talked
> > > about on this forum and has their reputation smeared on the search
> > > engines. My name is your name, Tom. My name is OCCUPY VISION 2020,
> taking
> > > a stand against First Step Internet for promoting slanderous comments
> on
> > > the internet and taking no responsibility for the harm that does to
> real
> > > people.
> > >
> > > The truth is that corporations like First Step Internet need to be held
> > > accountable for their actions and the use of its online technology to
> > allow
> > > anonymous smears of real people.
> > >
> > > The Vision 2020 policy of having all posts tracked by search engines
> > needs
> > > to be changed. First Step Internet can make sure that no search engines
> > > track the forum posts. Why do people on the internet need to have
> access
> > > to the local posts on the forum? That's not freedom, it is slander with
> > > technology.
> > >
> > > Change the policy. Freedom of speech within the forum is fine, but
> having
> > > the freedom to slander others across the internet should not be allowed
> > by
> > > First Step Internet. All First Step has to do is simply make the
> forum's
> > > posts untrackable by search engines. Nothing else on the forum would
> > > change.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Tom Hansen <
> > thansen at moscow.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > And your name is . . . ?
> > >
> > > Seeya round town, Moscow.
> > >
> > > Tom Hansen
> > > Moscow, Idaho
> > >
> > > "If not us, who?
> > > If not now, when?"
> > >
> > > - Unknown
> > >
> > > On Nov 30, 2011, at 2:16 PM, "ML394" <ml394 at hushmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > What I heard about First Step Internet is this:
> > > >
> > > > Due to the way the forum posts are being tracked by Google these
> days,
> > > anyone can come on this forum and claim to be a person who they are
> not.
> > > Anyone can say anything about someone else (even slander them) and
> those
> > > posts will be tracked by Google and connected to the name of the
> > slandered
> > > person.
> > > >
> > > > In fact, most of the email addresses used to post to this forum could
> > > never be tracked or traced to the name on the forum post. There is no
> > easy
> > > way to prove that any of the forum members are who they claim to be.
> > > >
> > > > So, if someone were to claim on this forum to be BILL MOORE, who
> loves
> > > to steal money, commit crimes and wants others to share in his life of
> > > self-debasement, there would be no way to prove that BILL MOORE did not
> > > author the post. And yet the slander remains online. And we all know
> that
> > > Bill Moore of First Step Internet is hardly a degenerate. He is one of
> > the
> > > most upstanding people in the area, a man who stands for freedom of
> > speech
> > > and the freedom to slander people, too.
> > > >
> > > > First Step Internet assumes no liability for the posts on this forum,
> > > but according to the Electronic Frontier Foundation hosting a forum
> which
> > > enables members to slander people by name and not just by their screen
> > name
> > > creates a legal liability for the hosting company. In this case, First
> > Step
> > > Internet is legally responsible for actually promoting the Vision 2020
> > > forum on Google and other search engines. First Step Internet is
> legally
> > > responsible for the slander its members write about others.
> > > >
> > > > The way I look at it, the longer First Step Internet lets Google
> track
> > > the slanderous comments that have been made on the forum the greater
> the
> > > liability. And First Step Internet would be out of business quickly.
> > > >
> > > > While I appreciate how important First Step Internet has been in the
> > > development of government-funded, rural internet access and the
> > development
> > > of Vision 2020, I am certain that First Step Internet would be better
> off
> > > (from a legal standpoint) making Vision 2020 a private forum that
> > promotes
> > > free speech but does not allow search engines to track the content of
> its
> > > posts.
> > > > =======================================================
> > > > List services made available by First Step Internet,
> > > > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
> > > > http://www.fsr.net
> > > > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > > =======================================================
> > >
> > >
> > > =======================================================
> > > List services made available by First Step Internet,
> > > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
> > > http://www.fsr.net
> > > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > =======================================================
> > >
> >
> >
>
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