[Vision2020] First Step Internet: Is It 1984?

Wed Nov 30 15:59:15 PST 2011

One of the first rules of the Internet: "Don't feed the trolls".

Ron Force
Moscow Idaho USA

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 From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
To: ML394 <ml394 at hushmail.com> 
Cc: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] First Step Internet: Is It 1984?

There is a not too old saying.  It goes something like . . .

"If you don't want the world to know it, don't post it on the internet."

Please.  Go ahead and google "Tom Hansen Moscow Idaho" or "Tom Hansen Vision2020" or anything else you are curious about.

Let your fingers do the stalking.  I have ABSOLUTELY no problem with it.  I will openly discuss, right here on the Viz, ANYTHING you uncover.

Or, you could do as most people here on the Viz have done before registering with the Viz . . . GET A LIFE!

In spite of your lack of honesty and transparency, I'm guessin' that you are either one of Dale Courtney's sandbox buddies or Dale Courtney himself.  It's hard to tell.  It's like y'all are of one mind.  The only question I have is . . .

Who's using it today?

Seeya round town, Moscow.

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"If not us, who?
If not now, when?"

- Unknown

On Nov 30, 2011, at 3:37 PM, "ML394" <ml394 at hushmail.com> wrote:

Janesta Carcich, right?  First Step Internet feels that the whole world should know your private thoughts as expressed on the Vision 2020 forum.  Check out JANESTA CARCICH on Google.  
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>I ask the forum: Do you want your Vision 2020 posts seen by everyone on the internet?  Ex-spouses, high school classmates, employers and even stalkers can see what you've posted on this forum.  Identity thieves could have a field day with this forum's posts.
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>Check out TOM HANSEN IDAHO on Google.
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>It's all right there, people, right there on Google.  Your political views, your comments about other people, your personal information.  It wouldn't be that hard to impersonate some members of this forum based on what First Step lets Google track.  Why are we letting the First Step Internet corporation treat our personal thoughts and information like everyone out there should see it?  It's like making a permanent recording of everything that was ever said in the town square.  That's no fun.  First Step Internet should respect the privacy of what is said here on this forum, or it should assume that it will have future legal problems.  
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>If someone were to reveal the social security numbers and home addresses of forum members right here onto Vision 2020, would anyone think that was a problem?  I do, and if you think that your posts aren't tracked by Google, search your own name online with the word MOSCOW and see what comes up.  It's careless to let anyone see what you've written here at Vision 2020.
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>Tell First Step Internet to stop the privacy invasion and make all posts past, present and future private for members only to view.  Wake up, it's 2011, and identity thieves can do a lot with just a little information these days.  Protect free speech properly by making this free speech forum private for all members.
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>On Wednesday, November 30, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Janesta <janesta at gmail.com> wrote:
>What a pity. I was under the impression this was a private forum, in that
>>my comments could not be found on the web.
>>
>>Janesta
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>>On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
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>>> And your name is . . . ?
>>>
>>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>>
>>> Tom Hansen
>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>
>>> "If not us, who?
>>> If not now, when?"
>>>
>>> - Unknown
>>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2011, at 2:16 PM, "ML394" <ml394 at hushmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> What I heard about First Step Internet is this:
>>>
>>> Due to the way the forum posts are being tracked by Google these days,
>>> anyone can come on this forum and claim to be a person who they are not.
>>> Anyone can say anything about someone else (even slander them) and those
>>> posts will be tracked by Google and connected to the name of the slandered
>>> person.
>>>
>>> In fact, most of the email addresses used to post to this forum could
>>> never be tracked or traced to the name on the forum post.  There is no easy
>>> way to prove that any of the forum members are who they claim to be.
>>>
>>> So, if someone were to claim on this forum to be BILL MOORE, who loves to
>>> steal money, commit crimes and wants others to share in his life of
>>> self-debasement, there would be no way to prove that BILL MOORE did not
>>> author the post.  And yet the slander remains online.  And we all know that
>>> Bill Moore of First Step Internet is hardly a degenerate.  He is one of the
>>> most upstanding people in the area, a man who stands for freedom of speech
>>> and the freedom to slander people, too.
>>>
>>> First Step Internet assumes no liability for the posts on this forum, but
>>> according to the Electronic Frontier Foundation hosting a forum which
>>> enables members to slander people by name and not just by their screen name
>>> creates a legal liability for the hosting company.  In this case, First
>>> Step Internet is legally responsible for actually promoting the Vision 2020
>>> forum on Google and other search engines.  First Step Internet is legally
>>> responsible for the slander its members write about others.
>>>
>>> The way I look at it, the longer First Step Internet lets Google track the
>>> slanderous comments that have been made on the forum the greater the
>>> liability.  And First Step Internet would be out of business quickly.
>>>
>>> While I appreciate how important First Step Internet has been in the
>>> development of government-funded, rural internet access and the development
>>> of Vision 2020, I am certain that First Step Internet would be better off
>>> (from a legal standpoint) making Vision 2020 a private forum that promotes
>>> free speech but does not allow search engines to track the content of its
>>> posts.
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