[Vision2020] Fwd: Breaking news from lmtribune.com
Joe Campbell
philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Sat May 14 06:48:00 PDT 2011
Suppose a baby was drowning two feet from you and you do nothing to save it.
Aren't you at least partly blameworthy for his death?
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Donovan Arnold <
donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dr. Joe,
>
> It is a false dilemma to say it is either God's or the victim's fault in a
> death, injury, or economic ruin.
> It can be, and is almost always, the fault of humanity or group of humans.
> It takes a lot of people to decide, approve, build and move people into
> homes built in a flood plain, on a fault line, or at the base of a volcano
> long before a family actually moves into the house for whatever reason.
> Usually, it comes down to lots of people acting recklessly or selfishly.
> Either way it isn't God's fault and almost never 100% the fault of the
> victim. Few people would actually die from natural disasters if it were not
> for humanitiy's greed, carelessness, lack of respect for nature or not
> following God by loving your neighbor.
>
> I'm not trying to defend God from humanity's irrational judgement, as you
> jump to conclude, I am just trying to demonstrate to God that some of us are
> not so judgemential and irrational in are thinking as those that blame God
> for the consequences of humanity's greed which He clearly warned us against
> since the beginning.
>
> Donovan Arnold
>
>
> --- On *Fri, 5/13/11, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fwd: Breaking news from lmtribune.com
> To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Date: Friday, May 13, 2011, 4:01 PM
>
>
> The whole problem with this kind of answer is that it opens the gates for
> further questions. Try solving the problem of evil for tougher cases, like
> folks who lost their jobs in the recent recession. Or are you trying to say
> that ALL those who lost their jobs in the recession or who lost their lives
> in recent natural disasters "had it coming," given their foolish decisions
> about where to live, where to work, etc.? Did they ALL deserve to get fired?
> Did they ALL deserve to die? Has everyone who ever died a horrible death, or
> had something evil happen to them, deserved it? If I said the same thing
> about your "innocent children" I'm sure you'd be equally offended.
>
> I'm no atheist but it is safe to say that the "justification of evil"
> defense does not solve the problem of evil. It will not get God off the hook
> for everything. Free will only goes so far. Once you bring up these
> inadequate stories to try to defend God -- who needs no defense -- you just
> make the matter worse. Better to jump on the faith wagon BEFORE giving the
> inadequate defense.
>
> On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Donovan Arnold <
> donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> Wayne Fox quotes Ron Force,
>
> "Could they sue God if it rains?", and responds;
>
> "Based on all the misery this alleged all-powerful God has allegedly
> caused, this matter would be heard in Miniscule Claims Court."
>
> God sure is a bastard for building homes in places that have been flood
> plains for thousands of years and making people live there, and for putting
> tall easily collapsible buildings on million year old fault lines and lots
> of people walking in, around, and underneath them, and most of all, for not
> having murderers burst into flames for slaughtering innocent
> people while declaring it is in His name.
>
> Donovan Arnold
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 5/12/11, Art Deco <deco at moscow.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=deco@moscow.com>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Art Deco <deco at moscow.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=deco@moscow.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fwd: Breaking news from lmtribune.com
> To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com>
> >
> Date: Thursday, May 12, 2011, 3:42 PM
>
>
> Ron Force writes:
>
> "Could they sue God if it rains?"
> Based on all the misery this alleged all-powerful God has allegedly caused,
> this matter would be heard in Miniscule Claims Court.
>
> w.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Ron Force<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rforce2003@yahoo.com>
> *To:* Tom Hansen<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=thansen@moscow.com>;
> vision2020 at moscow.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 12, 2011 2:29 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Fwd: Breaking news from lmtribune.com
>
> The separate college commencement ceremonies were done away with under
> President White, to address the non-attendance problem at the general. Now
> all students walk across the stage to pick up diplomas, PhDs get hoods, etc.
> so if Mom wants a picture, Junior (or Jane) has to get up early on Saturday.
> The colleges have receptions following general commencement (all indoors).
>
> Law still clings to their separate ceremony, which will be at 3, outdoors
> (Could they sue God if it rains)?
>
> Ron Force
> Moscow Idaho USA
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=thansen@moscow.com>
> >
> *To:* Ron Force <rforce2003 at yahoo.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rforce2003@yahoo.com>>;
> "vision2020 at moscow.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com>"
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> *Sent:* Thursday, May 12, 2011 2:11 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Fwd: Breaking news from lmtribune.com
>
> There are two commencements . . . one general commencement . . . and a
> commencement for each college.
>
> If this grad class is similar to my grad class of '96, they'll be too dang
> hungover to attend the general commencement and (almost) sleep through the
> college commencement (especially those grads whose last names start with
> "A").
>
> Ah, yes, the thrill and pride of the graduation walk.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
> UI '96
>
>
> On Thu, May 12, 2011 2:04 pm, Ron Force wrote:
> > I was told that several thousand plastic ponchos will be available.
> > Anyway, the severe weather isn't forecast until early afternoon, so the
> > speakers have an incentive to be brief...
> >
> > Â
> > Ron Force
> > Moscow Idaho USA
> >
> >
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