[Vision2020] Questions About Semi-Megaloads in Moscow

Fri May 13 10:31:09 PDT 2011

Give me a break. Does the interweb "make the rules"? No. The rules began
with Aristotle and the Stoics and they were perfected by folks like Boole
and Frege. As Wayne clearly noted, reference to the rule -- which was made
by you, Paul, not the interweb -- is itself a fallacy and an attempt to draw
folks away from the issues. Use of Godwin's Law to condemn an argument or
point is no better or worse than calling someone a Nazi in the first place
-- unless the person is in fact a Nazi!

I now return you to the real issue, as summarized by Wayne above ...

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>wrote:

> I don't make the rules.  Take it up with teh interwebs if you think it's
> stupid.
>
> I'm not really trying to win any sort of debate here, myself.  Just trying
> to impart a little perspective.  Use at your own risk.  That's why Godwin's
> Law is remarkably effective, actually.  It's a good indicator that
> rationality has left the building and that further debate is only useful for
> the lulz.
>
> Paul
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> *To:* Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> *Cc:* Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>; Saundra Lund <
> v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>; Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, May 13, 2011 9:31 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Questions About Semi-Megaloads in Moscow
>
> I made this point but Paul is not listening. There was no comparison.
>
> The claim that "the first person in an argument who compares the other side
> to the Nazis loses the debate" is just stupid. Why not just make the winner
> the person with the best haircut? The person with the worst argument loses
> the debate.
>
> On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>
> Let me get one thing straight to Mr. Rumelhart and to the rest of you
> lacking any sense of comprehension.
>
> My reference to Nazis was NOT aimed at Wayne Krauss.
>
> My comment, word for word, . . .
>
> "Excusing Krauss because the megaloads weren't anywhere near US95 or
> Moscow yet is like justifying the Nazis as long as they knock on somebody
> else's door."
>
> The comparison I clearly drew was between "megaloads weren't anywhere near
> US95 or Moscow" and Nazis knocking "on somebody else's door."
>
> If you really do feel like dragging this dead horse around with you, how
> about taking to your buddies at teh sandbox, ok?
>
> 'Nuff said.
>
> Now, if you will excuse me, I have four hours of Moscow Megaload Meeting
> videos to edit and post.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 13, 2011 7:34 am, Paul Rumelhart wrote:
> >
> > Believe me, I'm no fan of Newt Gingrich.  All I need to know about him
> > is that he pressed his first wife for divorce while she was in the
> > hospital recovering from cancer-related surgery, not to mention
> > committing adultery while criticizing Clinton for doing the same thing
> > during the Monica Lewinski scandal.
> >
> > Anyway, the idea is that the first person in an argument who compares
> > the other side to the Nazis loses the debate.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > On 05/13/2011 12:00 AM, Saundra Lund wrote:
> >> Huh -- I wasn't familiar with that term.
> >>
> >> Since you cited the Wikipedia article ("has been invoked for the
> >> inappropriate use of Nazi analogies in articles or speeches"), then do
> >> you agree that hyperbolic "Godwin's law" (which you obviously accept
> >> since you called it) is far more appropriately applied to Nasty Newt
> >> Gingrich than to Tom Hansen&  to Ted Moffett (in his "Saint Augustine:
> >> "Hypocrisy is the tribute that vice pays to virtue" response)?
> >>
> >> Just wonderin'. . .
> >>
> >>
> >> Saundra Lund
> >> Moscow, ID
> >>
> >> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to
> >> do nothing.
> >> ~ Edmund Burke
> >>
> >> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2011 through life
> >> plus 70 years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or
> >> reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written
> >> permission of the author.*****
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Paul Rumelhart [mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 6:34 PM
> >> To: Tom Hansen
> >> Cc: Saundra Lund; 'Vision 2020'; 'Donovan Arnold'
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Questions About Semi-Megaloads in Moscow
> >>
> >>
> >> Wow, you've just Godwin'd this thread by comparing this issue to the
> >> Nazis. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law
>
> >>
> >> I'm not looking forward to having to wait an hour for these guys to move
> >> a semi-megaload down the highway, but let's try to keep some perspective
> >> here. We're talking traffic delays, possible road damage, possible
> >> electricity outages, and one giant megacorp putting a little more money
> >> in their giant coffers than they otherwise would. Besides, if we "win",
> >> they'll just find a more expensive way of moving these things and force
> >> the extra cost on to the consumers.
> >>
> >> I'm not saying you're not fighting the good fight, let's just keep it in
> >> perspective.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> On 05/11/2011 11:02 AM, Tom Hansen wrote:
> >>> Excusing Krauss because the megaloads weren't anywhere near US95 or
> >>> Moscow yet is like justifying the Nazis as long as they knock on
> >>> somebody else's door.
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >>
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