[Vision2020] Angry Hens

Fri May 6 13:24:39 PDT 2011

Haven't found out much about this but I'll keep looking. My guess is
castration isn't a factor in recidivism. Sex crimes are primarily (though
not exclusively) crimes of violence. Though it doesn't mention "castration,"
the data on this site is interesting:

http://www.atsa.com/ppOffenderFacts.html

Actually "recidivism" is ambiguous. In some studies, the recidivism rate for
being arrested is 40+%. On the website noted above it says "sexual offense
recidivism rates are much lower than commonly believed, averaging between 14
and 20% over 5-year follow-up periods." (Does this sound right? Sorry if I
missed a previous posting of these statistics! It is hard to keep up.) Note
the difference between arrest (for any crime) vs. sexual offense recidivism
rates.

It is important to keep in mind, however, that to say sex crimes are
under-reported is an understatement. On other websites I looked at today, it
was claimed that only 1/3 of all sex crimes are reported and that about 80%
of rape victims do not report it. So true recidivism rates are difficult to
determine.

There is a podcast called Philosophy Bites with an interesting recent
interview of Catherine MacKinnon on gender crimes, a very related topic. It
is available for free on iTunes or from this website:

http://www.philosophybites.libsyn.com/

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:

> Just out of curiosity . . .
>
> Does anybody know if court-ordered castration curtail the possibility of a
> pedophile re-offending (especially in the case of a serial pedphile)?
>
> Just a question.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 6, 2011 8:48 am, Ron Force wrote:
> > I knew someone who unknowingly married a child molester. His mother
> didn't
> > reveal his past, thought "he'd outgrown it", and of course, he didn't
> > reveal his record (juvenile, and sealed).  A couple of years into the
> > marriage, she discovered he'd been molesting friends' children that they
> > had tended. She turned him in to the police, and divorced him. He got a
> > long stretch in the pen. She got a long stretch in psychotherapy, as did
> > the kids. It destroyed her friendships and changed the course of her
> life.
> > She eventually had to leave town.
> >
> > Ugly stuff--I wish science or society had some answers.
> >
> >
> > Ron Force
> > Moscow Idaho USA
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> > To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> > Cc: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2011 5:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Angry Hens
> >
> >
> > Above, Paul writes: "I'm glad that his church elders are working with him
> > in an attempt to improve his life."
> >
> >
> > But that is the issue. HOW can the elders improve his life? What is the
> > recidivism rate for sex offenders, child molesters? What is the
> recidivism
> > rate for sex offenders or child molesters WHO RECEIVE TREATMENT? But
> > somehow we're to believe that Doug Wilson can do better? Holy crap. This
> > is the celebration ignorance gone too far.
> >
> > Kai writes: "As I argued before, it is the community's right to choose
> > what is socially acceptable."
> >
> > But the pedophile shows that this view is BS. If the community says that
> > it is socially acceptable for adults to have sex with children, the
> > community is wrong. Period. No amount of philosophy is going to wreck
> this
> > rule.
> >
> >
> > This is the area where the right wing view of tolerance is shown to go
> too
> > far. Church elders don't have the right to say that they are experts
> about
> > human psychology merely because they are church elders. The idea that
> > knowledge is socially constructed and that all viewpoints are equally
> > valid is bogus and easily refuted (see pedophilia above). And dangerous.
> >
> > And how dare either of you tell Rose and others to shut up! There are at
> > least five of us who find this news interesting and who are thankful for
> > it. And two of you who think it is unworthy of public discussion.
> >
> > Let free speech reign and damn those who speak against it! Please use
> > delete rather than edit the content of these pages.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >>> (Sing along Kai, Paul, Dougie, Dale.  You must know the words by now.)
> >>
> >>As divisive as you guys seem to be, I still consider myself "on your
> >> team", more-or-less.  Meaning that I am far more liberal than I am
> >> conservative, and have more in common with the "intoleristas" than I do
> >> with Kai, Doug, and Dale.  .  We just disagree on a few things, most of
> >> them having to do with the perceived importance of this one church.
> >> Though I do acknowledge that I agree with Kai and Dale on some occasions
> >> (I haven't seen Doug posting anywhere), mostly having to do with
> >> financial matters.  It would be nice if we didn't draw so many lines in
> >> the sand.  We might see areas where we agree, and actually learn some
> >> respect for each other.
> >>
> >>Paul
> >>
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