[Vision2020] Donovan: Dale or Doug?

Thu Mar 31 23:47:10 PDT 2011

Donavan,

I think you should take Joe up on his offer!  $100 is $100, and having met
both of you, I think you'd have an enjoyable time, as would Joe.  I think
you two have more similarities than you do differences, which can sometimes
be lost in online only communications.

Anyway, next time you're up this direction, please give it some thought.

BTW, you're sounding kind of like a birther with demands that Joe give you
proof of his PhD . . . just sayin'.  I could easily provide you with a dozen
credible Web sites that list his qualifications, but I'm assuming you're
being somewhat facetious in your request, yes?

Saundra Lund

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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:28 PM
To: Joe Campbell
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Donovan: Dale or Doug?

Joe,

Please provide a link. I don't think $100 is worth having lunch with you, at
least not for me it isn't. I am sure plenty of your philosophy graduates
would think $100 is lot of money because they are pretty unemployable in the
real world unless they have an additional education in something else as
well. 

Donovan Arnold

--- On Thu, 3/31/11, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Donovan: Dale or Doug?
To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>, "vision2020 at moscow.com"
<vision2020 at moscow.com>
Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 6:11 PM

Do some research! You can prove it yourself (it's on the UA website for one
thing).

The funny thing is I'll give you $100 to have lunch with me.

You won't do it! Proof enough that you're NOT Donovan.

On Mar 31, 2011, at 5:22 PM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>
> wrote:

Joe,

I want proof that you actually earned a PhD? 

BTW, I vote for idiots all the time, because I vote for the person most
likely to defeat the Republican. I would imagine that Republicans vote for
idiots too precisely because Democrats tend to put idiots on the ballot as
well, leaving an idiot Republican or an idiot Democratic situation to choose
from. 

IMO, almost all people are bigots and hypocrites towards one group of people
or another. 

Donovan Arnold

--- On Thu, 3/31/11, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com
<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com> >
wrote:

From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com
<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joe and Arrogance
To: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com
<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lfalen@turbonet.com> >
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com> 
Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 2:54 PM

Sorry -- last clarification. 

I didn't call ALL Republicans -- whom I disagree with -- "idiots." In fact,
I explicitly said that I don't think all Republicans are idiots and
mentioned a few by name that I didn't think were idiots.

I asked why Republicans VOTE for idiots. The idiots are folks like Bush,
Palin, and Gingrich. I called Gingrich an "idiot" because of his bigoted
comments -- comments which you conveniently didn't include in this criticism
-- not because he was a Republican. I asked a question: Why do so many
Republicans vote for idiots -- folks who are either dumb as posts or obvious
and clear bigots?

I'm asking you, too, Roger. Why did you openly support Gresham Bouma in the
last election, someone who is openly antagonistic toward Mormons? Why
support Young, someone who was openly antagonistic toward folks on the left?
Do you think it is OK to call Mormons "blasphemous"? Do you think that that
kind of behavior is indicative of what our founding fathers meant by the
right to the free exercise of religion? Do you think leaders should only
cater to members of your own political party? That they can ignore the folks
that they don't vote for them?

But the fact is that you won't answer these questions. What you'll do is
call me a "communist" and try to divert attention from the growing racism of
your political party. And what I'll continue to do is point out the racism,
even if it means putting up with your mean-spirited name calling.

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 11:52 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com
<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lfalen@turbonet.com> > wrote:

It is amazing to me that some people on the left like joe, call everyone
they disagree with idiots. I think it was Stalin that called the American
left useful idiots. A friend of my aunt's on finding out I was a friend of
Steve Symms said, "He can't be very bright can he". Some on the right think
the same way. I do not know why people cannot disagree on the issues with
out disparaging one another's intelligence.
Roger

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