[Vision2020] American arrogance and arms accounting (was: NPR)

Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Thu Mar 31 09:50:02 PDT 2011 

Sorry but until I have evidence to the contrary I am not going to talk to
you. You are likely someone from Christ Church who lies about his identity.

For the record "our problems" do not include "blaming liberals for our
problems". There is no contradiction. Just more crap rhetoric from folks who
have no other resources.

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Donovan Arnold <
donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Joe,
>
> I am not sure what you are saying here as you sound like you are
> contradicting yourself;
>
> "I've criticized them but I don't think I've picked out any group and
> blamed our problems on them in the way that you've done with baby-boomers
> below."
>
> And then you say;
>
> "I blame the tea baggers for blaming liberals for our problems in the same
> general way that you blame baby-boomers."
>
> Are you blaming a whole group of people or are you not? As was the original
> question. It sounds to me that you are doing just that. The only real
> difference I see from your argument and mine is that I blame the Republicans
> mostly, but all the Democrats and the unaffiliated babyboomer generation as
> a whole, while you are just blaming one aspect of the babyboomers?
>
> You are blaming the "Tea Party" I am blaming the "Me Party".
>
> Individually, members of the babyboomer generation can be wonderful
> charismatic people that have done good, but as a group, or generation, they
> have ruined the world as we know it and as it should have been. I don't see
> how you can look at the facts and the situations we are in today and deny
> that with a honest response.
>
> Donovan Arnold
>
>
>
> --- On *Wed, 3/30/11, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] American arrogance and arms accounting (was: NPR)
> To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 9:02 PM
>
> Well, I'm not blaming the tea party for our problems! I've criticized them
> but I don't think I've picked out any group and blamed our problems on them
> in the way that you've done with baby-boomers below. I think most of our
> problems are the result of the two-term idiot we had as president but even
> he is not responsible for a lot that led to our recession. I blame the tea
> baggers for blaming liberals for our problems in the same general way that
> you blame baby-boomers.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Donovan Arnold <
> donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
>   Yes Joe, I blame the Babyboomer generation as opposed to blaming a
> political group that has existed for less than a few years for being the
> cause of all of America's problems.
>
> I don't think the Teaparty, for as annoying and wrong as they are, have any
> real influence on current and past major events leading to the
> insurmountable debt and problems we face today. Perhaps you can explain how
> they are and the Babyboomers were not?
>
> Donovan Arnold
>
>
> --- On *Wed, 3/30/11, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] American arrogance and arms accounting (was: NPR)
> To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>
> >
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com>
> Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 4:27 PM
>
> Right. Blame a generation. That's helpful.
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Donovan Arnold <
> donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
>   I just think a lot of the fraud and financial crisis is the result of
> the Babyboomers. You cannot really tag it on any one particular political
> group, or one person. Babyboomers have spend more money than any other
> generation before it, including those that fought WWII. They have indebted
> the nation beyond the capability of future generations to pay back and live
> any type of quality of life. They have burned more fuel then all the
> previous generation before or after combined. I won't even get into the
> environmental disasters they have plagued the world over with. They have
> behaved as greedy pigs at the trough. With the trough being the fruits of
> labor of previous and future generations.
>
> Donovan Arnold
>
> --- On *Wed, 3/30/11, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] American arrogance and arms accounting (was: NPR)
> To: "Kenneth Marcy" <kmmos1 at frontier.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kmmos1@frontier.com>
> >
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com>
> Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 3:06 PM
>
> Thanks, Ken. This is exactly why I can't take criticisms of NPR seriously.
> How many times does Roger complain about about how we don't have enough
> money? Yet how little does he talk about the kinds of waste that you note
> below, wastes from the military and monetary losses caused by unchecked
> members of the business community? If it were really about MONEY we'd get
> criticisms of more than NPR and education. And the fact is once you do away
> with adequate news sources and gut American education it is going to be a
> lot harder for the average folk to spot the lies and fallacies of the tea
> baggers.
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Kenneth Marcy <kmmos1 at frontier.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kmmos1@frontier.com>
> > wrote:
>
> On Wednesday 30 March 2011 13:05:19 Joe Campbell wrote:
> > We're not spending too much on NPR! We spend more bombing Libya in one
> day
> > than a year's worth of NPR! I don't see any good arguments supporting
> your
> > case. That's all.
>
> American aggression overseas, however much it may be in aid of moral
> causes,
> is unmatched by its awful armaments accounting at home. If one wishes to be
> aware of the most egregious levels of American aggression, look at the
> artless
> accounting appeasement that has continued for decades among those who claim
> accounting and auditing expertise and the American military establishment.
>
> The military-industrial complex of contractors and their aides,
> accomplices,
> and accessories have failed to produce understandable, comprehensive,
> audited
> financial statements for American military activities for as long as anyone
> can
> remember. This financial and managerial reporting void should be a source
> of
> perpetual embarrassment to anyone who claims to have any sense of federal
> fiscal or taxpayer concern.
>
>
> Ken
>
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