[Vision2020] Sex Offender
Joe Campbell
philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Wed Mar 9 12:35:17 PST 2011
I think I agree with you Roger but let me play Devil's advocate. Anyone who
sells meth, sells it to someone who chooses to take it. What business is it
of the State that someone wants to kill themselves with meth? Isn't it
paternalistic intervention by the State? Alcohol, driving, and even meat are
deadly but State intervention in these areas would be regarded as a case of
unfreedom. What is the difference wrt to Government intervention in the case
of drugs?
And don't say "drugs lead to deaths of others" because we can still have
laws for driving while drugged as we do in the case of alcohol. The question
is, What gives the State the right to imprison drug takers or even drug
dealers?
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 10:54 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> I agree on marijuana. Meth is deadly and those that make and deal in it
> should be subject to stiff penalties. The use of anything should not be a
> crime as long as it does not place someone else in danger. Education,
> treatment and prevention is a better approach.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: "Art Deco" deco at moscow.com
> Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 21:33:34 -0800
> To: "Vision 2020" vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sex Offender
>
> > Perhaps it's time to decriminalize marijuana.
> >
> > But for those of you who have witnessed what meth addiction does to
> people, the subsequent effect on their lives and others, and the ultimate
> costs to taxpayers, you might feel that life imprisonment for large quantity
> dealing of meth is not enough.
> >
> > w.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Reggie Holmquist
> > To: lfalen
> > Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 4:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sex Offender
> >
> >
> > Thanks to Ron for that info. I didn't know we had access to that
> > already-compiled info. Fascinating, really. Anyway, too many people
> > incarcerated for drug/alcohol related offenses as well as
> > property-related offenses. Not saying property offenders should get
> > off scott-free, but I do know that ID has exceptionally strict
> > sentencing guidelines for property offenders. Probably too strict, and
> > it's probably costing a lot annually for the state to enforce these
> > exceptionally strict guidelines.
> >
> > -Reggie
> >
> > On Tuesday, March 8, 2011, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> > > I agree that sociopaths should receive life sentences with no parol.
> However Reggie is right, as Ron's post points out there are a lot of people
> in prison that could be better dealt with other than by prolonged periods of
> incarceration.
> > > Child Protective services involve a lot of other things that sex
> offenses. They also deal with physical and emotional abuse.
> > > This can be rejecting, isolation,ignoring, corrupting, exploiting,
> and terrorizing. Kids have been starved, locked in closets, denied health
> care, used as mules, ect. I do not mean to imply that all physical acts
> toward children is abuse. I have no problem with a spanking on the behind. I
> personally do not think a child should be slapped, even though that may not
> be abuse. Anything that leaves a bruise is.
> > > Roger
> > >
> > > -----Original message-----
> > > From: "Rosemary Huskey" donaldrose at cpcinternet.com
> > > Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 14:43:31 -0800
> > > To: "'Joe Campbell'" philosopher.joe at gmail.com, "'Ron Force'"
> rforce2003 at yahoo.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sex Offender
> > >
> > >> I strongly recommend that folks click on the link that Ron Force
> (thanks,
> > >> Ron) provided and listen to the NPR interview. Actually, the
> offender that
> > >> is discussed had two particularly violent offense in addition to the
> 90
> > >> other that he admitted to. Steven Sitler has admitted (but was not
> charged
> > >> with dozens of child molestations) because of his plea deal. By any
> > >> standard (except legally) he is a serial offender. The reason that I
> > >> enclosed the word therapy in quotes was because many serial
> pedophiles (and
> > >> other serial sex offenders) are sociopaths. There is no therapeutic
> > >> approach that I am aware of that effectively treats, and certainly
> none that
> > >> will cure a sociopath. It is my sense that the victims of sexual
> predators
> > >> may suffer a life-time of damage as a consequence of the molestation
> (as the
> > >> psychiatrist suggests during the radio interview), therefore, a life
> > >> sentence for the perpetrator seems equitable to me.
> > >>
> > >> Rose Huskey
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:
> vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> > >> On Behalf Of Joe Campbell
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 12:40 PM
> > >> To: Ron Force
> > >> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sex Offender
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> This is a tricky issue.
> > >>
> > >> On the one hand, I don't have much of a problem telling someone like
> John
> > >> Rydberg, who has admitted to more than 90 sex offenses (see link
> below),
> > >> that he should remain incarcerated.
> > >>
> > >> On the other hand, even if we suppose that there is a 75% recidivism
> rate
> > >> for sex offenders, you're still talking about the unjustified
> punishment of
> > >> 25% of them if the suggestion IF the suggestion is something like
> the "civil
> > >> commitment sex offender treatment program" that Minnesota has.
> > >>
> > >> Not that Rose or anyone else is suggesting that. So far the point is
> that
> > >> sex offenders should not be allowed early release and that is a
> no-brainer,
> > >> as it is with the early release of any violent criminal (unless
> there are
> > >> extenuating circumstances).
> > >>
> > >> But the overall issue of what to do with sex offenders, how long
> they
> > >> deserve punishment, and whether incarceration in the form of
> treatment after
> > >> punishment is a viable option is a very difficult issue, though one
> that
> > >> needs much attention.
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Ron Force <rforce2003 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> A pertinent story from Here and Now" this morning on NWPR:
> > >>
> > >> http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2011/03/08/minnesota-sex-offender
> > >>
> > >> Ron Force
> > >> Moscow Idaho USA
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _____
> > >>
> > >> From: "betsyd at turbonet.com" <betsyd at turbonet.com>
> > >> To: Rosemary Huskey <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>; vision 2020
> > >> <vision2020 at moscow.com>; Sunil Ramalingam <
> sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> > >> Sent: Tue, March 8, 2011 11:37:40 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sex Offender
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Couldn't agree with you more!
> > >>
> > >> Bets
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original message-----
> > >> From: "Rosemary Huskey" donaldrose at cpcinternet.com
> > >> Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 11:20:41 -0800
> > >> To: "'vision 2020'" vision2020 at moscow.com, "'Sunil Ramalingam'"
> > >> sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> > >> Subject: [Vision2020] Sex Offender
> > >>
> > >> > A juried review of recidivism, therapeutic modalities, etc. for
> sex
> > >> > offenders: http://www.csom.org/pubs/recidsexof.html
> > >> >
> > >> > The type of offense appears to have some impact of the likelihood
> of
> > >> > reoffending, (which is high at any rate amongst non-incest child
> > >> molesters).
> > >> > There seems to be disagreement among professionals about what
> constitutes
> > >> a
> > >> > re-offense. For example, does re-offense mean an arrest, a
> conviction, or
> > >> > probation violation? And, of course, no one, except the
> perpetrators and
> > >> > the victims really know what that rate is. What is clear is that
> it is
> > >> > underreported. Whether the rate (including perpetrators in regular
> group
> > >> > "therapy" and I also use quotes) is 50% or .5% the possibility
> that
> > >> > convicted child molesters will continue to troll for and abuse
> children is
> > >> > too high. As for specifics, Steven Sitler was jailed in Latah
> County for
> > >> > almost a year and did in fact drive himself (alone), to the
> > >> > Lewiston/Clarkston area regularly for "therapy." And yes, there
> were
> > >> > controls in place in terms of time driving and mileage etc.
> nonetheless,
> > >> it
> > >> > was, in my opinion, a risky situation. I ask you and other 2020
> > >> > contributors, as I did the leaders of Christ Church who support
> him in his
> > >> > upcoming marriage, would you allow Steve Sitler, given his
> horrendous
> > >> > history of child molestation, unlimited, unsupervised access to
> your y
> >
> > --
> > There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
> > what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly
> > disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and
> > inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has
> > already happened.
> >
> > Douglas Adams
> >
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