[Vision2020] Idaho Faculty Salary Survey
Sue Hovey
suehovey at moscow.com
Mon Jun 13 12:31:29 PDT 2011
To paraphrase the weekend headlines, "Some Professors Make More Than the
Governor," I can only add, THANK GOD. I can think of not one of them so
hell-bent on destroying education in the State of Idaho as is he. Even so,
too bad educators (k through higher ed) aren't valued as NFL football
players--the ones who do the work and draw the crowds get the money.
Sue H.
-----Original Message-----
From: lfalen
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 11:13 AM
To: Tom Hansen
Cc: Moscow Vision 2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Idaho Faculty Salary Survey
I agree with you on jobs, but not entirely on who's fault it is. I think is
is both parties.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: "Tom Hansen" thansen at moscow.com
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 10:43:30 -0700
To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Idaho Faculty Salary Survey
> What has been preached and has proven out time after time after time after
> . .
>
> Increased cash flow improves the economy.
>
> And just what increases cash flow, you ask?
>
> J - O - B - S
>
> When people have jobs they tend to spend more money than when they are
> unemployed.
>
> However, it seems that ever since the Republicans have become the ruling
> party of the House (after preaching jobs, jobs, jobs during the 2010
> campaigns), they have yet to introduce one singular jobs-oriented bill.
>
> So . . . tell me where the fault lies (pun intended).
>
> Tom "Thank God I'm re-'tired'" Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, June 13, 2011 10:17 am, lfalen wrote:
> > Joe
> > I am retired, so I am not getting a paycheck from any company. I do get
> > Social Security and there has not been a cola for two years, but the
> > cost
> > of living keeps going up. I probably earn less than half what you do. I
> > am willing to accept less money. I just think that it should apply to
> > everyone. My wife asked for a furlough to help make the budget. Instead
> > or
> > that. she was cut to 87% in pay. She gets payed for 7 hours a day but
> > puts in 12. She may be cut to 50% in January, in which case the UI will
> > not pay benefits. I think that everyone should be affected. It offends
> > me
> > that you think that it fine for you to get a pay increase and to hell
> > with
> > anyone else.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> > Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 13:04:33 -0700
> > To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Idaho Faculty Salary Survey
> >
> >> Have you asked for a salary decrease recently, Roger? Who besides
> >> teachers
> >> should ask for a salary decrease? Anyone? Just government officials?
> >> Not
> >> cashiers to reduce food costs? That might help, too! Why don't we all
> >> just
> >> ask for less money?
> >>
> >> As a teacher, I'm offended by your request. It is fine with me if YOU
> >> ask
> >> for a salary decrease but please don't tell me that I should do it. All
> >> that
> >> indicates is a disrespect and lack of appreciation for education.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:50 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Nick
> >> > I agree with you 100% on the pay of administrators. In addition to
> >> them
> >> > being payed to much there are too many oif them. To argue that Idaho
> >> faculty
> >> > salaries are not keeping up with other state is a valid point.
> >> > However
> >> we
> >> > are a small state and should live within our means. My wife who is UI
> >> staff
> >> > has been reduced to 87% of her normal salary. This means she she
> >> > gets
> >> paid
> >> > for 7 hours a day. She puts in about 12 hours a day. She would have
> >> been
> >> > reduced to 50% on July 1. She with the help of our daughter, who
> >> > works
> >> for
> >> > the Idaho Soils Commission was able to line up a Nitrate study on
> >> > the
> >> Camus
> >> > Prairie. This will be done with farmer cooperators in the area. This
> >> will
> >> > allow her to stay at 87% until January.
> >> > I understand the desire for wanting pay increases as the cost of
> >> living is
> >> > going up, however in hard times everyone should share the burden.
> >> This
> >> > should also apply to the county budget and to the schools. The county
> >> should
> >> > toe the line to last years budget. A slight increases might be
> >> > allowed
> >> for
> >> > the Sheriffs budget, but not the amount requested. Congratulation to
> >> Bill
> >> > Thompson for requesting a decrease. The Troy teachers voluntarily
> >> took a
> >> > decrease. Moscow teachers should have done the same. Genesee recently
> >> hired
> >> > a new Superintendant for $90,000. I think that this was too much.
> >> Again we
> >> > are still in an economic slump and everyone should share the burden.
> >> > Roger
> >> >
> >> > -----Original message-----
> >> > From: nickgier at roadrunner.com
> >> > Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 17:27:54 -0700
> >> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> > Subject: [Vision2020] Idaho Faculty Salary Survey
> >> >
> >> > > Dear Visionaries:
> >> > >
> >> > > Usually the faculty union is able to published faculty salaries
> >> > > much
> >> > earlier in the year, but we did not get the data until last month.
> >> The most
> >> > telling contrast is President Nellis' 487 percent increase over 29
> >> years vs.
> >> > 211 percent increase for UI full professors. (CPI for that period is
> >> 218)
> >> > For 11 administrative positions the increase was 280 percent.
> >> > >
> >> > > Idaho Faculty Salary Survey 2010-11
> >> > >
> >> > > We have published a UI salary survey every year since 1974.
> >> Individual
> >> > faculty data come from the UI Budget Office. UI Salary data and
> >> analyses
> >> > going back to 2000-2001 can be found at
> >> <www.idaho-aft.org/salaries.htm>.
> >> > > UI full professors are 23% behind their peers on Ph.D.-granting
> >> campuses,
> >> > while UI associate and assistant professors are 14% and 17% behind
> >> > re-spectively. Since FY82, when the full professor differential was
> >> 17%, UI
> >> > fulls have lost 6% to their peers.
> >> > >
> >> > > Also at the URL above you can find UI salaries by department and
> >> unit; an
> >> > all Idaho campus survey with UI administration salaries; a national
> >> survey
> >> > by discipline; and a UI survey by discipline. The superb Oklahoma
> >> State
> >> > study by discipline is no longer available to us.
> >> > >
> >> > > ISU, BSU, and LCSC Salaries Now Included
> >> > >
> >> > > With aid of the annual salary survey done by the American
> >> Association of
> >> > University Professors we are now able to add faculty salaries from
> >> ISU, BSU,
> >> > and LCSC. We urge faculty from these campuses to gather their
> >> department and
> >> > unit salaries in the same way that the UI union has done for years.
> >> > > BSU faculty suffer a much greater differential than their peers:
> >> > > 34%
> >> for
> >> > fulls; 22% for associates; and 20% for assistants. The ISU gap just
> >> > as
> >> bad:
> >> > 33%/23%/22%. For B.A./B.S. institutions LCSC is also way behind:
> >> 33%/31%/
> >> > 26%.
> >> > > Some BSU and ISU faculty have higher teaching loads but the same
> >> research
> >> > expectations, so they should at least have salary equity with the UI.
> >> > >
> >> > > NIC, CSI, CWI Salaries Coming Next Year
> >> > >
> >> > > We will publish Idaho 2-year campus salaries in next year’s
> >> survey. For
> >> > the time being faculty there can compare their salaries with the
> >> national
> >> > averages for ranked and non-ranked faculty. CSI faculty have rank but
> >> no
> >> > tenure; NIC faculty have tenure but no rank; CWI faculty have neither
> >> rank
> >> > nor tenure.
> >> > > For many years NIC faculty have enjoyed the ad-vantage of a salary
> >> step
> >> > system, and after several years of no funding for the steps, the NIC
> >> > president and board authorized money for the steps. In good years NIC
> >> > faculty receive cost-of-living raises on top of the automatic steps.
> >> The
> >> > union has always argued that that merit pay should be a separate
> >> > appropriation and should be awarded by extra steps.
> >> > >
> >> > > UI Administrative Raises up 273% over 29 Years vs. Full Professors
> >> at
> >> > 211%; CPI is 218
> >> > >
> >> > > In terms of cost of living, UI full professors have suffered a 7%
> >> pay cut
> >> > over 29 years, while UI administrators have enjoyed a 55% pay raise.
> >> (We
> >> > wish we had FY82 data for the other ranks, but we were lucky to find
> >> these
> >> > full professor salaries in an old issue of Faculty Advocate.) ISU,
> >> BSU, and
> >> > LCSC professors have lost much more compared to the CPI.
> >> > >
> >> > > Most fortunate, however, is the fact that we have UI administrative
> >> > salaries from FY82. These were years before the corporate model for
> >> higher
> >> > education had taken its full and disastrous effect. Please note that
> >> 29
> >> > years ago UI deans made pretty much the same salary, and that the
> >> president
> >> > earned only $7-14,000 more than his deans.
> >> > >
> >> > > Those who justify huge administrative salaries say: "This is what
> >> the
> >> > market demands, and we are still paying less than peer institutions."
> >> If
> >> > faculty salaries had been keeping up, this would have been
> >> > persuasive.
> >> > Former UI President Elizabeth Zinser justified her huge salary
> >> increase by
> >> > claiming that it “would raise all boats.†But, as the State Board
> >> of
> >> > Education continues to approve these administrative increases each
> >> year,
> >> > faculty salaries have fallen further and further behind.
> >> > >
> >> > > During the period 1990-1995 raises for UI higher administrators
> >> > > rose
> >> by
> >> > 21.3 percent compared to 16.5 percent for faculty. When the AFT made
> >> these
> >> > increases an issue in 1995, the next year top administrator pay rose
> >> only
> >> > 2.33 percent, about 3 percent lower than the faculty.
> >> > >
> >> > > UI’s Duane Nellis’ $335,005 is 487% over Richard Gibb’s 1981
> >> Salary;
> >> > > From Three Times to Eight Times Entry Level Professors
> >> > >
> >> > > In 1972 entry level professors made about $10,000, and then
> >> President
> >> > Ernest Hartung made about $30,000. When President Richard Gibb was
> >> hired in
> >> > 1977, his salary had risen to four times entry level faculty. (In a
> >> 1977
> >> > interview with the AFT president, Gibb contended that top faculty
> >> should
> >> > make more than he did.) Faculty complaints became more vocal when
> >> Elizabeth
> >> > Zinser’s FY 94 salary was $125,039, five times entry level
> >> > salaries.
> >> The
> >> > differential with entry level faculty has now risen to over eight
> >> times.
> >> > >
> >> > > Pay Equity at the Presidential Level Why not for Idaho’s
> >> Professors?
> >> > >
> >> > > When the SBOE met Duane Nellis half way on his salary demands, they
> >> then
> >> > decided that the ISU and BSU executives would receive essentially the
> >> same
> >> > pay. This action puts the lie to the UI’s status as Idaho’s
> >> “flag ship
> >> > institution. Each of our major universities have outstanding faculty
> >> and
> >> > most of them do cutting-edge research. So why should ISU and BSU
> >> salaries
> >> > lag more than 10 percent behind the UI?
> >> > >
> >> > > Thank the AFT for Your Promotion Increase
> >> > >
> >> > > For many years the AFT urged the UI administration to increase the
> >> > promotion increments in order to alleviate salary compression in the
> >> upper
> >> > ranks. The increments used to be $1,000 for promotion to associate
> >> > and
> >> > $1,500 to full professor. We take some credit for the fact that UI
> >> President
> >> > Robert Hoover raised those increments to $5,000 and $6,500
> >> respectively. In
> >> > the 2000s they were boosted to $6,000 and $8,500 at the UI, and we
> >> would
> >> > like to see the same amounts for BSU, ISU, and LCSC.
> >> > >
> >> > > Across the Board Raises before Merit Pay; otherwise Many Faculty
> >> Lose Pay
> >> > to Inflation
> >> > >
> >> > > The Hoover administration committed itself to "across the board
> >> > increases" for "all employees showing at least satisfactory
> >> performance."
> >> > This promise stands first in a list that includes promotions, merit
> >> pay, and
> >> > equity adjustments. The AFT position has always been that as a long
> >> > as
> >> > salaries do not keep up with the cost of living, then merit pay is a
> >> moot
> >> > point. When legislative raises are applied according to merit, many
> >> faculty
> >> > end up with pays cuts because of the decline in general buying power.
> >> Merit
> >> > pay must be funded by a separate appropriation.
> >> > >
> >> > > Collective Bargaining is the Only Answer
> >> > >
> >> > > During the late 1960s there was a large expansion of our public
> >> higher
> >> > education system. This was good for educational opportunity, but bad
> >> in the
> >> > way that this system developed according to a business model.
> >> University
> >> > presidents became less like academic leaders and more like CEOs, and
> >> their
> >> > salaries, as well as those of their management teams, have
> >> skyrocketed.
> >> > >
> >> > > A natural response to the industrialization of the uni-versity was
> >> the
> >> > rise of faculty unions. They now represent a large majority of
> >> > faculty
> >> in
> >> > states where collective bargaining is allowed. (Idaho,
> >> > unfortun-ately,
> >> is
> >> > one of the 19 where it is not permitted.) Over 320,000 faculty on
> >> 1,130
> >> > campuses are now under union contracts.
> >> > >
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> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to change
> and the Realist adjusts his sails."
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> - Author Unknown
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