[Vision2020] Pollyanna Wants to Know: Who's the Lying Sack of Sh*t?

Sat Jul 16 13:56:31 PDT 2011

Seems to me you're just getting angry for the sake of getting angry and
lashing out no matter what.  You're angry about the megaloads in
general, and no matter what scenario emerges it will always land on the
side that "the megaload project can do nothing right".

The article says that the 14-food wide load could have been transported
during the daytime... and that "Rolheiser wants to maintain the same
protocol for both roads".

They left port of Lewiston a little earlier... and crossed Moscow at
10pm last night.  (News to me, I had no idea...).  So, you're angry that
they deviated from their initial plan/intention, while still staying
inside the boundaries of the law/permit that was issued?   There is no
way for you not to be angry with this.  If the megaload would have
departed EXACTLY at 10PM and arrived in Moscow within the time line and
interrupted some event (road construction, some event letting out at a
particular time, who knows), you would have been incensed that the folks
didn't have the common sense to call ahead and adjust their schedule
accordingly.    (These are outrageous example, I know... I'm trying to
illustrate a point).

I don't get the impression they've lied.  They probably did WANT to
stick with the same protocol... from an operations standpoint, it would
make sense:  every operation that is done differently or has a custom
component requires meetings, training, and change... and allows for more
stuff to go wrong.    In this case, I would bet their intent was to
stick to the plan.  But they adjusted for SOMETHING, stayed within the
limits of the permit/law, and got the job done.  (I had zero idea that
the megaload came through town last night... so kudos to them for
getting it done without my knowing.  I thought that was the intent).

If I say that I'm going to arrive at a friend's house at 6:00pm... but
then don't make it there until 6:30pm... does that make me a liar?  Or
is my reason of "I couldn't find my car keys" acceptable?

I'm not sure where to respond with the "they didn't stop where they were
supposed to, they didn't get a motel room, and they didn't buy local
fuel"... plans change... but people are PEOPLE.... they all gotta EAT,
and they all gotta SLEEP.  If you're angry that they didn't do any of
those things WHERE they originally planned, I don't have much for you...
and I applaud your own itineraries and schedules to be so perfectly
executed.

You're upset about the MPD not knowing anything about the transport?
What you quoted talks about ISP involvement (non-mandatory according to
the permit), not MPD... If MPD WAS involved with this project, and
someone's house was robbed during this process, (leaving MPD unable to
respond more quickly), you would have been angry that the megaloads
project has dragged our local police force into the mix.

As far as their level of courteousness?  I guess I can't comment on
that... I've never had an issue with MPD or really any law enforcement
officer... I've learned that people are as generally as courteous to me
as I am to them.  Paint a sour face or come out swinging (so to speak),
and you're probably likely to get a cold shoulder or just ignored.
(And if you came out last night to just let your seething anger swell up
by witnessing the physical manifestation of your disdain rolling through
Moscow, I wouldn't blame the MPD for turning their backs on dealing with
a citizen who might just be interested in picking an argument in which
they have no authority or knowledge).

The fact is, we are a nation/community of LAWS and AGREEMENTS... the
megaload projects are working within the LAWS and PERMITS that they have
LEGALLY obtained.   Changing their operations to accommodate (whatever)
changing conditions happened doesn't make them liars... it makes them
flexible.

Jay Borden

From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Saundra Lund
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 12:59 PM
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Vision2020] Pollyanna Wants to Know: Who's the Lying Sack of
Sh*t?

First oversized load coming through tonight

No date set for larger load; Mammoet given five days to start

By Brandon Macz Daily News Staff Writer

Posted on: Friday, July 15, 2011

Imperial Oil/ExxonMobil will ship the smaller of two oversized loads
through Moscow tonight under permits reissued by the Idaho
Transportation Department.

ITD reissued permits to transport two oversized loads of oil refinery
equipment along U.S. Highway 95 and Interstate 90 on Wednesday with a
five-day window that starts today.

"Our plan is to begin moving the first of the two initial modules on
Friday night," Pius Rolheiser, Imperial Oil spokesman, said. "The second
one, the timing has yet to be determined."

The Idaho State Police weighed both loads Thursday, and the smaller
shipment is slated to leave the Port of Lewiston at 10 p.m. today with
two ISP escorts, two pilot cars and three flagging crews. Its first
scheduled stop will be at the Latah/Benewah county line followed by a
stop three miles east of Coeur d'Alene before connecting to I-90.

Capt. Lonnie Richardson of ISP Region 2 in Lewiston said his department
will be briefed at 8 p.m. today prior to escorting the shipment, which
is not required under the permit. 

Because the shipment is 14 feet wide, it could also be transported in
the daytime, but Rolheiser said the company wants to maintain the same
protocol for both loads, which means it would use ISP escorts and travel
between 10 p.m. and 5:30 a.m

OK, so I know caring about the megaloads moving through Moscow makes me
a commie subversivo or something stupid like that to some, but . . . 

What does that make the people who think we can "trust" ITD, Imperial
Oil/ExxonMobil, or even the ISP to be honest?  Idiots?  Morons?
Sell-outs?  Corporate shills lacking even a modicum of ethics?

For those who don't know, the baby mega-load apparently rolled through
Moscow at approx. 10 PM last night.

Which means Imperial Oil/ExxonMobil lied when it said, "the company
wants to maintain the same protocol for both loads."  It kept the ISP
"escorts" but ditched the time limitations.

News Flash:  if they are willing to lie about the little stuff, they'll
have not a concern in the world in lying about the Big Stuff.  Maybe I'm
the only one, but I was genuinely shocked by the dishonesty surrounding
the baby megaload's transit through Moscow.

It also means that the ISP -- perhaps taking a page from the "orderly &
law-abiding protestors are scary" book used by Moscow's own Parks & Rec
"Director" Dwight Curtis took - apparently wasn't quite accurate in
announcing that the ISP briefing was at 8 PM last night before the
scheduled 10 PM departure with ISP escorts.  It doesn't take a rocket
scientist to figure out that there's no way in heck that time line was
truthful when the load hit Moscow at 10 PM.

Reportedly, the baby megaload didn't even pause at its "scheduled" stop
at the county line in spite of the welcome mat Walter Steed & his
toadies positively wet themselves (and likely violated Idaho Public
Meeting Law in the process) rolling out.

Of course, Steed's whole feel good faux resolution was nothing more than
insulting to begin with.  Only the uninformed - which definitely
shouldn't have been voting Council members - were unaware of the fact
that the megaloads don't purchase fuel locally.  Duh.

And as for utilizing Moscow motels?

Perhaps in Walter's World, "knocking off for the day" after two hours'
work makes sense to patronize Moscow motels, but that's not the real
world, as the baby mega-load's transport last night proved.

Let me rephrase that.  There is a profession - perhaps the world's
oldest -- that utilizes motel rooms for a couple of hours' work.  Given
Steed's faux resolution, one can't help but wonder about the source of
his . . . confusion.

I went out (and dragged my dh - who deserves a gold star - along with
me) last night because I was curious to see things for myself to form my
own opinion based of what I saw with my own eyes.  I knew it was just a
baby mega-load, but since they are keeping the transit of the real
mega-load Top Secret, it was the best I could do.

I'm left wondering why, if the whole thing is as innocuous as the now
proven liars want us to believe, they are being so secretive???

I'm also extremely concerned about the apparent lack of communication
with local law enforcement (MPD).  I tried to chat with two of Moscow's
"finest" I saw out & about strolling around downtown last night, and
they said they didn't know anything.  Really?  If that's the case, we
all should be very concerned.  

Frankly, I was quite taken aback by their behavior.  I am a law abiding
& tax paying citizen who has always previously felt comfortable chatting
with truly Moscow's finest for the 2+ decades I've lived here.

The two last night?  Not so much.  In fact, they were positively rude .
. . I was literally talking to their backs before my less-than-10-second
question was even out of my mouth.   And, no - they weren't in a hurry
to respond to a call because I watched them leisurely lumber down the
block without  a care in the world.  I'm sorry to say I now have a
better understanding of the comments I've been hearing in recent years
that MPD seems to have developed an unfriendly attitude towards normal
people.

Saundra Lund

Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to
do nothing.

~ Edmund Burke

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