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Joe Campbell
philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Wed Jan 19 15:32:15 PST 2011
I thought it was more a comment on Roger's argument: I like X, so it's good (where in this case X is Paul's posts).
On Jan 19, 2011, at 3:18 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
> All I think he's saying is that if you think my posts are reasonable, then they
> must really be crap. I don't know how else to read it.
>
> By the way, I'm glad at least someone gets something out of my posts.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> To: Art Deco <deco at moscow.com>; Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 10:09:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] (no subject)
>
> Quit trying to be coy. Come right out and say what the hell you mean.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: "Art Deco" deco at moscow.com
> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:40:49 -0800
> To: "Vision 2020" vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] (no subject)
>
>> Further evidence.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: lfalen
>> To: Art Deco ; Vision 2020
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 10:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] (no subject)
>>
>>
>> No, I do not get your drift.
>> Roger
>> -----Original message-----
>> From: "Art Deco" deco at moscow.com
>> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:37:30 -0800
>> To: "Vision 2020" vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] (no subject)
>>
>>> Roger's post below is not a kudos of Rumelhart's posts; rather a
>> condemnation (if you get the drift).
>>>
>>> w.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: lfalen
>>> To: Paul Rumelhart ; Andreas Schou
>>> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:11 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] (no subject)
>>>
>>>
>>> I think that you are one of the most reasonable people who post here and
>> I agree with about 90% of your posts.
>>> Roger
>>> -----Original message-----
>>> From: Paul Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
>>> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:50:07 -0800
>>> To: Andreas Schou ophite at gmail.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] (no subject)
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I tend to annoy everybody, I think. It's a special trait of mine.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't met very many people on the list in real life. I know Sue
>>>> Hovey, I've met Nick Gier, and I've talked to Keely on the phone.
>>>>
>>>> I miss some of the old-timers that haven't been around in a while. Is
>
>>>> Chasuk still around somewhere? There have been periods of time where I
>>
>>>> haven't followed the list as much as I'd like, so maybe I just haven't
>
>>>> seen his posts.
>>>>
>>>> Although Ted and I are constantly beating our heads against each other,
>>
>>>> I respect his character and can confidently say that he's a principled
>
>>>> person who cares deeply about the environment. Nothing wrong with
>>>> that. As I tend to get a bit snarky in my responses far too regularly,
>>
>>>> I apologize to him now for the many sarcastic and unfriendly remarks
>>>> I've made over the years.
>>>>
>>>> I've talked with Gary both on and off the list (a few times, anyway)
>> and
>>
>>>> find him to be a good guy. He calls them like he sees them, and I
>>>> respect that. My path over the last few years is one of realizing that
>>
>>>> even people you differ with have important things to say and that
>>>> everything is not so black and white as people try to make it appear.
>
>>>> My opinion of Gary has changed for the better since I've interacted
>> with
>>
>>>> him, and that can only be a good sign.
>>>>
>>>> Apart from the last few weeks, I haven't interacted with Joe that much,
>>
>>>> but I appreciate the civil discourse we've had, even though we both
>>>> probably shriek at the walls various unflattering remarks about each
>>>> other after a long back-and-forth. He's an intelligent guy, and he
>> also
>>
>>>> calls 'em like he sees 'em, too. That's a good thing.
>>>>
>>>> I've had some good conversations with Donovan, and find him to be a
>> nice
>>
>>>> guy.
>>>>
>>>> Andreas is one of the more reasonable posters on the list, I enjoy his
>
>>>> posts when I see them. He seems level-headed and intelligent and wise,
>>
>>>> really.
>>>>
>>>> I enjoy Tom's humorous posts, and appreciate the work he does for the
>>>> community. I'm not as big a fan of cats as he is, though. Don't hate
>
>>>> them, mind you, but I'm not as enamored of them.
>>>>
>>>> I enjoy Keely's posts, even though we often disagree about some
>> things.
>>
>>>> I also enjoy Nicks posts, they are very thought-provoking. There are
>>>> lots of others I'm missing, I'm sure. Reggie, Roger, Wayne, Jeff, Dan,
>>
>>>> Dave, Deb, and others. All of them nice people who think I'm a
>> fruitcake ;)
>>>>
>>>> It certainly doesn't hurt to take a break from the mud-slinging and to
>
>>>> realize that real people actually exist behind their on-line personas.
>>
>>>> This list is an enigma. It's full of generally nice people who like to
>>
>>>> yell at each other all the time. It must be the dehumanizing
>> properties
>>
>>>> of the email medium, I guess.
>>>>
>>>> Ah well, back to the mudslinging, I say!
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> Andreas Schou wrote:
>>>>> Gary's one of a very small number of conservative commentators that
>>>>> I've managed to read consistently since I first became politically
>>>>> aware. In part, this may be due to the fact that he is one of a very
>>>>> small number of conservative commentators whom I may annoy precisely
>>>>> as much as he annoys me. But, even where I think he's wrong, he's at
>>>>> least responsive.
>>>>>
>>>>> He's also a damn good locksmith and, as far as I've heard and
>>>>> experienced, a decent human. I only disagree with him about matters
>> of
>>>>> life, death, and whether and how the government should acquire and
>>>>> spend trillions of dollars. Other than that, we're cool. And he's
> not
>>>>> the only conservative here that's made a positive contribution to
> the
>>>>> community.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many of you know my wife had a brain tumor a couple of years ago and
>>>>> nearly died. I was in Seattle for most of the relevant period, but I
>>>>> received an unsolicited offer from Doug Farris to bring over
>>>>> casseroles and whatnot. I couldn't take him up on it (because I
>>>>> suspect his offer didn't extend to driving the casseroles to
>> Seattle),
>>>>> but I appreciated it more than he knows. And I was genuinely sorry
> to
>>>>> hear that Pat Kraut died; in all of my professional dealings with
>> her,
>>>>> through the Nazarene church, she genuinely enacted the charitable
>>>>> values we so vehemently disagreed about the government enacting.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know the rest of the conservatives here as well. Glenn isn't
>> a
>>>>> real person (though I once had a perfectly civil lunch with the
>> person
>>>>> I believe he is). Donovan Arnold probably wouldn't kick a puppy
>> unless
>>>>> the puppy really had it coming. Jeff Harkins is sometimes genuinely
>>>>> helpful, and bright and dedicated, if sometimes glib.
>>>>>
>>>>> I realize that it'll soon be time to get back to shouting at each
>>>>> other. As we should. Isn't that why we're all here? (Maybe not Paul.
>>>>> He doesn't seem like a crank. I mean that as a compliment.) But in
>> the
>>>>> spirit Dear Leader proposes, I think taking a moment to appreciate
>> the
>>>>> people we will soon be throwing rotten fruit at seems appropriate.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- ACS
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