[Vision2020] the shooting

[lfalen]

If you don't know, there is no point in trying to explain it.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:19:17 -0800
To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] the shooting

> Explain to me how Obama has closer ties to Che and communism than Palin. Why would you say that? 
> 
> And I'm not "blaming" anyone but the shooter. 
> 
> On Jan 11, 2011, at 10:02 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> 
> > You  have somewhat  of a point in saying that insane people can be influenced to kill someone. What is wrong is in blaming it on the right with out a shred of evidence. The guy was a fan of Che Guavaria(sp) and the Communist Manifesto. It would seem to me you folks are blaming the wrong side. Obama, Biden, Van Jones and a host of other democrats  have also made inflammatory statement. A lot of military terms are used in ordinary speech and should not be taken literally. If you condemned all rhetoric that might somehow incite someone to violence I would be more impressed. That however would place a severe restriction on what can be said. 
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> > Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:47:04 -0800
> > To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] the shooting
> > 
> >> Roger,
> >> 
> >> How does the fact that he was insane change the issue?
> >> 
> >> If one pays a man to kill another, does he get off if it turns out
> >> that the killer was insane?
> >> 
> >> Can I hire an insane man to rob a bank an split the profits? After
> >> all, if he gets caught, I can always say he's insane so I can't be
> >> blamed for anything, right?
> >> 
> >> Is anyone allowed to ask any insane person do do whatever they wish
> >> and suffer no consequences if he does it?
> >> 
> >> People in positions of political power, like Palin, should not be
> >> creating posters with crosshairs designating their political enemies.
> >> That is over the top, inappropriate, and irresponsible PRECISELY
> >> because there are insane people in the world who might take it
> >> seriously.
> >> 
> >> What could possibly be wrong with this criticism?
> >> 
> >> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 12:53 PM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >>>  On item Item 3.  The media and numerous others have been linking the shooting to the right with out a shred of evidence. It has also been reported that the Communist manifesto was one of his favorite books. Does this mean that the left wing is responsible? No. All of this unsubstantiated rhetoric by the media and others is irresponsible. He was a nut job, pure and simple. End of story.
> >>> Roger
> >>> 
> >>> -----Original message-----
> >>> From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> >>> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 20:51:25 -0800
> >>> To: Gary Crabtree jampot at roadrunner.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] the shooting
> >>> 
> >>>> Gary there are folks throwing out crazy rightwing rhetoric who have TV shows, who run for governmental office.
> >>>> 
> >>>> There are nuts on both sides, no doubt.
> >>>> 
> >>>> But there aren't TV and radio hosts from the left, let alone candidates running for office, who are openly saying the same things the nuts are saying.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Nor are there leftwing schools using violent rhetoric in their ad campaigns.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>> 
> >>>> On Jan 8, 2011, at 7:43 PM, "Gary Crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> And the unstable left wing over the top rhetoric of rabid animal rights groups, earth firsters, truthers, and the endlessly droning Bush lied/people died crowd don't? Lumping Courtney, Wilson, the tea party folks, and conservatives in general as a group with even a smattering of responsibility for this tragedy is over the top by any standard. Even yours.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> g
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> From: keely emerinemix
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 7:23 PM
> >>>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] the shooting
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> In the interest of transparency, I want to say that I've heard indirectly from Dale Courtney and directly from Douglas Wilson, both of whom, not surprisingly, take umbrage at my characterization that people like them bear some responsibility for things like the politically motivated shootings in Tucson.  You can look on Dale's blog, and I won't post Wilson's emails to me without his permission, but when I take my hits for something I've said or done in public, I am not afraid to acknowledge those hits in public.  But let's be clear.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I did not say that Douglas Wilson and Dale Courtney shot anyone.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I did not say they are accountable for the actions of the man who did.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I did not say they are guilty in the same way the shooter is, and I didn't say they specifically, personally encouraged him to do it.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> What I said was that people who say the kinds of things these two prominent local Christians have said, and say them in the ugly and intolerant, public way they've said them, are responsible for the climate that helps tip unstable, paranoid anti-government types over the edge.  That doesn't seem too difficult to comprehend, and certainly wouldn't seem to be too difficult for these two men of chest to bear.  Frankly, if Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik has concluded that the atmosphere of hatred and abuse swamping the country these days has incubated actions like the shootings today, it hardly seems odd that those of us who live in a place where our neighbors contribute so nakedly to that atmosphere would remark on their culpability for it.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Keely
> >>>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
> >>>>> 
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