[Vision2020] Defense, Deceit, and Deficits: Reagan's Unnecessary$1 Trillion Military Build-Up

[Joe Campbell]

 No. When I said that the last two times the debt went up it was under
Republican administrations. First, starting with Reagen (and it went down
with Clinton) and then again with Bush. You denied this in each case and I
(then) brought up the same point I made below. It was ignored until now.

You can make up whatever reasons you want for why Reagen raised the debt but
the fact is Republicans raise the debt so that we're forced to cut
government programs in order to lower it. Recent history supports this, at
least.

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:35 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:

> Joe
> I never said that Reagan did not run up the debt. I said that he had a
> choice. Either build up the military or balance the budget. He did not like
> runing up the debt but thought that was the best of two options. He choice
> the security of the US. That was the right chose as in my opinion it
> contributed to breakup of the USSR,
> Roger
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:03:46 -0800
> To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Defense, Deceit, and Deficits: Reagan's
> Unnecessary$1 Trillion Military Build-Up
>
> > I mentioned the dilemma you are faced with wrt your views about Reagan.
> > Either he had an effect on the USSR -- and ran the deficit up in the
> process
> > -- or he had no effect on the deficit and no effect on the USSR either.
> You
> > can't have it both ways. The claim that Reagan bankrupted the USSR is
> > equivalent to the claim that he ran up our deficit, which you previously
> > denied.
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 12:57 PM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >
> > > You made fun of my comments on a lack of time. Say what you want, but I
> > > don't have the time to screw with you. I have been busy  doing chores,
> > > taking a sick hore bach ant forth to the vet.,dealing with downed trees
> and
> > > shoveling  show.It takes about three hours to shovel the snow here. By
> the
> > > time I do that and do chores it is time to take a nap. Then back to
> work.
> > > You used opinion polls  as proof that Reagan had no efect on the
> collapse
> > > of the USSR. I do not know about philosophy, but  that does not cut it
> in
> > > science. Opinion polls can and are rigged. They are about as reliable
> as
> > > testimonials are for heath food product. Look at what the difference
> might
> > > be from polls by Rasmussen, Zogby and that GREAT PARAGON OF
> IMPARYIALITY,
> > > moveon.org.
> > >
> > > By the way good luck on your battle with  the SBOE on the subject of
> > > dismissing the ISC faculty Council. That seams a bit high handed to me.
> I do
> > > not necessarily buy all of the arguments of Saundra and other, but if
> all
> > > the SBOE does is rubber stamp anything Administrators does , who needs
> them?
> > > I have a  few comments interspersed with yours below.
> > > Roger
> > >
> > > -----Original message-----
> > > From: nickgier at roadrunner.com
> > > Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:38:42 -0800
> > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Subject: [Vision2020] Defense, Deceit,and Deficits: Reagan's
> Unnecessary $1
> > > Trillion Military Build-Up
> > >
> > > > Hi Roger,
> > > >
> > > >Nick
> > >  First, let me correct one huge error in your response. I know a lot of
> > > conservative commentators say this, but why do you continue to trust
> them?
> > >  The national debt is $14 trillion, 7.1 trillion due to Reagan and the
> two
> > > Bushes.  By what sort of GOP math do you conclude that Obama's
> contribution
> > > is $13 trillion??  So far it is $3 trillion and I sorted it out by
> thirds
> > > and justified each one of them.
> > > >Roger See my post from the State GOP
> > > > Nick And since when, except in a GOP universe, is my claim that good
> > > communication should be truthful is just an opinion??!!
> > > > Roger
> > > I never said that. Of course good communication should be truthful.
> > > > It is a fact, not opinion, that the taxpayers ate $88 billion in the
> > > Reagan administration created S&L Crisis.
> > > >
> > > > It is a fact, not opinion, that most of the financial bail-out money
> has
> > > been repaid and that it is estimated that the feds will make $20
> billion on
> > > AIG stock in the next several years.  About $28 billion has been earned
> so
> > > far from bank repayments of bail-out money.
> > > >
> > > > It is a fact, not opinion, that the Reagan administration set up a
> Team B
> > > that repeatedly report distorted intelligence about Soviet superiority.
> > > >
> > > > It is a fact that Carter did some substantial arms negotiations and
> > > started the military build-up with an increase of $500 million to the
> > > defense budget.
> > > >
> > > > Your quick "research" did not turn out very well, did it?
> > >
> > > Roger  See My post on the state GOP
> > > >
> > > > Better luck next time,
> > > >
> > > > Nick
> > > >
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