[Vision2020] Journalist my ass

Wed Feb 23 05:55:41 PST 2011

All opinions are viable? That is bullshit. I'll spare you examples. And a
wingnut is not a communist. There is a difference between mere insults and
spreading fear and telling lies in order to get people elected. I don't see
any major "liberal" news agencies saying that Republicans are Nazi's. I
don't. Again there are differences between Fox and other "news" agencies
that you fail to note.

And you're confused about the First Amendment. Certainly it allows me to say
a whole bunch of stuff but much of it is NOT allowed by common decency. If
you can't see that, that's sad. It's like saying that once you move away
from home you should eat candy all day long just because your mother isn't
around to prevent you. Grow up.

You have the right to do plenty of things that you just shouldn't do. Don't
use the freedoms of our country to justify bad behavior. Don't use it to
justify the fact that Fox is full of folks who lack a common sense of
decency and a respect for the truth. You can't justify the bad with the
good.

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Kai Eiselein <fotopro63 at hotmail.com>wrote:

>  Dear God Joe,
> Must you reach? In this country all opinions are viable, you know, with the
> Constitution and all, and right here on the ol' viz calling all Republicans
> "right wingnuts" is a viable opinion.
> As a matter of fact, you can say whatever you want and call it your
> opinion, whether or not people respect that opinion is another matter.
> It's called the First Amendment, Joe. Don't like it? Too damn bad. Want to
> put controls on it because you're offended by something someone says? Then,
> knowing you are a liberal, I'd call you a dirty commie bastard. If you were
> a conservative, I'd call you a dirty Nazi bastard.
>
> From wikipedia:
> *Glenn Edward Lee Beck* (born February 10, 1964) is an American
> conservative <http://wiki/Conservatism_in_the_United_States> radio and
> television host, author, entrepreneur, and political commentator. He hosts
> *The Glenn Beck Program <http://wiki/The_Glenn_Beck_Program>*, a
> nationally syndicated talk-radio show <http://wiki/Talk_radio> that airs
> throughout the United States <http://wiki/United_States> on Premiere Radio
> Networks <http://wiki/Premiere_Radio_Networks>; and also a cable news show<http://wiki/Glenn_Beck_%28TV_program%29>*
> on Fox News Channel <http://wiki/Fox_News_Channel>. As an author, Beck has
> had six *New York Times*-bestselling books<http://wiki/New_York_Times_Best_Seller_List>,
> with five debuting at #1.[2] <#12e5144fac69020a_cite_note-Forbes410-1>Beck is the founder and CEO of Mercury Radio Arts, a multimedia production
> company through which he produces content for radio, television, publishing,
> the stage, and the Internet.
> **Glenn Beck* is an American cable opinion show hosted by Glenn Beck<http://wiki/Glenn_Beck>that airs weekdays on Fox
> News Channel <http://wiki/Fox_News_Channel>. The program, originally on
> CNN Headline News (now HLN <http://wiki/HLN_%28TV_network%29>), premiered
> on FNC on January 19, 2009 and now airs weekdays at 5:00 PM EST.
> *Rush Hudson Limbaugh III* (pronounced /ˈlɪmbɔː/<http://wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English>;
> born January 12, 1951) is an American <http://wiki/United_States> radio
> talk show host <http://wiki/Radio_host>, conservative political
> commentator, and an opinion leader in conservative politics and conservatism
> in the United States <http://wiki/Conservatism_in_the_United_States>. He
> hosts *The Rush Limbaugh Show <http://wiki/The_Rush_Limbaugh_Show>* which
> is aired throughout the U.S. on Premiere Radio Networks<http://wiki/Premiere_Radio_Networks>and is the highest-rated talk-radio
> program <http://wiki/Talk_radio> in the United States. Limbaugh signed an
> 8 year, $400 million contract extension with Clear Channel<http://wiki/Clear_Channel_Communications>in 2008 that pays him $50 million a year.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 21:55:28 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Journalist my ass
> From: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> To: fotopro63 at hotmail.com
> CC: thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>
> Kai,
>
> Give me a break. Is the idea that all democrats are communists a viable
> opinion? Can I say whatever stupid and insulting thing I want and get away
> with it by claiming it is my opinion? All I know is when I see the weekly
> rankings for top "news" programs, Beck always makes the list! I'm pretty
> sure MOST of the listeners regard it as news, not opinion.
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Kai Eiselein <fotopro63 at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>  Just a point, Joe: Rush & Beck espouse opinions, they are not journalists.
>  I'm really suprised that someone with your level of education would confuse
> the two.
> In essence, what they do is no different than football analysts expressing
> their views each Sunday during the season, or what one reads on the
> editorial pages of a newspaper.
> Another point, when I've yelled at NPR (most often while driving) it hasn't
> been because of "lies", but because of omissions. What is omitted can be
> every bit as important as what isn't, and can change the tenor of a story
> very easily.
> ------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:09:19 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Journalist my ass
> From: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> To: fotopro63 at hotmail.com
> CC: thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>
> But are there any liberal/progressive journalists who have the kind of wild
> views of Rush and Beck, e.g., that democrats are communists? I don't think
> so. Again, you can find bias anywhere. You just find MORE of it on Fox than
> anywhere else.
>
> If you or anyone denies this, I offer a challenge. I've done it before but
> no one has taken me up on it. Pick your idea of a biased liberal radio or TV
> show and we'll listen to it counting the lies and fallacies along the way.
> Then we'll turn on Fox for an hour and do the same.
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Kai Eiselein <fotopro63 at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
> I watched Fox news once several years ago and found it less than stellar,
> in my opinion. I've also found myself yelling at the radio while listening
> to NPR present biased news and I remember Katie Couric soft tossing
> questions to President Clinton while giggling like a 12 year old. Of course
> when Couric interviewed Condoleezza Rice, she was a hard ass.
>
> > Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:10:30 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Journalist my ass
> > From: thansen at moscow.com
> > To: fotopro63 at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> >
> > Kai Eiselein informs us:
> >
> > "Real journalists seek the truth with no preconcieved notions and report
> > facts without personal opinion."
> >
> > Then, Mr. Eiselein, we are in agreement. Fox News does not employ "real
> > journalists" by your definition.
> >
> > Is this correct?
> >
> > Before you answer, I will concede what is clearly obvious . . .
> >
> > Keith Olbermann, Dr. Rachel Maddow (She does have a PhD in Poli Sci), and
> > Ed Schultz are NOT journalists. They are Op/Ed personalities and have
> > NEVER claimed to be news sources.
> >
> > On the other hand, Fox "News" . . .
> >
> > Your thoughts, Mr. Eiselein?
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> >
> > "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to
> change
> > and the Realist adjusts his sails."
> >
> > - Unknown
> >
> > "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to
> change
> > and the Realist adjusts his sails."
> >
> > - Unknown
> >
> >
>
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