[Vision2020] House Bill 117 - State Sovereignty - FederalHealth Care . . .

Tom Hansen thansen at moscow.com
Thu Feb 17 12:55:56 PST 2011 

I believe Dr. J (Joe Campbell) was being sarcastic, Roger.

You are familiar with sarcasm, aren't you?

If you aren't, you have a very short memory.

Hmmm.

(Jus' bein' sarcastic)

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho


On Thu, February 17, 2011 12:12 pm, lfalen wrote:
> You teach logic. Where is the logic in this statement?
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 07:56:59 -0800
> To: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] House Bill 117 - State Sovereignty -
> FederalHealth Care . . .
>
>> I don't see anything in the constitution about the Internet.
>>
>> Therefore, Donovan's last post is unconstitutional.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2011, at 10:44 PM, Donovan Arnold
>> <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > "The state government can compel you to buy automobile liability
>> insurance if you chose to own and to operate a motor vehicle. "--Art
>> Deco
>> >
>> > This is a completely different situation on several levels;
>> >
>> > First, there is a difference between a state requiring you to
>> demonstrate while operating a heavy piece of equipment you have the
>> means to pay for any damage to property, versus that of the federal
>> government requiring you with buy a particular product.
>> >
>> > I can escape the insurance requirement in Idaho by either moving out
>> of state, choosing not to drive, or I can save up enough money to
>> demonstrate I can pay for damages i may incur while operating a piece
>> of heavy equipment on public highways and roadways.
>> >
>> > Federal Mandated Health Insurance I cannot do the same thing. I cannot
>> move out of state.  I cannot disown or park my body (I am stuck with).
>>  And I can never demonstrate that I have enough money to pay for
>> reasonable health problems, and that could be in the millions very
>> easily.
>> >
>> > And of course there is the Constitutional issue that it reserves all
>> rights not listed in it to the states. I don't see anything in the
>> constitution giving the Federal Government the authority to require
>> people to buy a particular product. Although I think the government
>> can get around this issue in the same way as it did in 80s by changing
>> the drinking age to 21, forcing the states to comply by withholding
>> federal dollars.
>> >
>> > I personally think it is a bad idea to have the federal government be
>> able to make you buy something. Especially when its goal of providing
>> health care to everyone will not succeed this way. The only way to get
>> everyone to have access to health care is to tax people and provide
>> it, just like every other service the government provides.
>> >
>> > Donovan Arnold
>> >
>> > --- On Wed, 2/16/11, Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > From: Art Deco <deco at moscow.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] House Bill 117 - State Sovereignty -
>> FederalHealth Care . . .
>> > To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> > Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2011, 3:36 PM
>> >
>> > The state government can compel you to buy automobile liability
>> insurance if you chose to own and to operate a motor vehicle.  The
>> courts have ruled that this is a legitimate power of the government.
>> It will be interesting to see how this issue as it relates to health
>> insurance is argued in the courts.
>> >
>> > w.
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Donovan Arnold
>> > To: Moscow Vision 2020 ; Tom Hansen
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 3:07 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] House Bill 117 - State Sovereignty -
>> FederalHealth Care . . .
>> >
>> > I have to agree that the government does not have the authority to
>> compel you to participate in buying health Insurance or any product or
>> service from a private company.  Especially when it is such a rip-off
>> and there is no regulation on what these insurance companies can
>> collectively decide they want you to pay once you are required by to
>> purchase it from them. They could charge $500-$1500 a month and you
>> would have to pay it. If they wanted to tax you and provide access to
>> health care that would be within their legal authority because that is
>> what the government does.
>> >
>> >  However, I don't agree with the wording of the bill that employers
>> should be allowed to get away with not offering any health insurance
>> without raising their minimum paid wages. You cannot afford health
>> insurance on $7.25 an hour.   Hell, you cannot even afford quality
>> health insurance at $12.50 an hour working 50 hours a week when the
>> government is skimming 40 cents on every dollar you sweat blood and
>> tears to make. Employers should have some basic responsibility for
>> the welfare of their employers especially when many employers put
>> their employees at risk for lots of health problems. Working
>> conditions need to be beyond third world standards here in Idaho.
>> Idahoan workers deserve at least this much. Too bad the Governor of
>> Idaho and the majority of the current legislature doesn't agree.
>> >
>> > Donovan Arnold
>> >
>> > --- On Wed, 2/16/11, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
>> > Subject: [Vision2020] House Bill 117 - State Sovereignty - Federal
>> Health Care . . .
>> > To: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> > Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2011, 11:43 AM
>> >
>> > Has passed the Idaho House by a vote of 49-20.
>> >
>> > http://moscowcares.com/idaho/2011/HB0117_020911.htm
>> >
>> > Tom Hansen
>> > Moscow, Idaho
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to
>> change
>> > and the Realist adjusts his sails."
>> >
>> > - Unknown
>> >
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