[Vision2020] How Many More Jared Loughners?America'sMentalHealth Crisis

[lfalen]

I have never watched him, so I don't know. I don't think any of the others listed were, so just who is the comedian?
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: "Tom Hansen" thansen at moscow.com
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:17:59 -0800
To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com, "Joe Campbell" philosopher.joe at gmail.com, "vision2020 at moscow.com" vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] How Many More Jared Loughners?America'sMentalHealth Crisis

> Roger Falen iterates:
> 
> "Williams is the only comedian in the list."
> 
> Since WHEN has Montel Williams been a comedian???????????
> 
> 
> He has been a television talk show host (google "Montel Williams Show")
> and activist of several causes for quite a long time.
> 
> After graduating from the US Naval Academy, he went on to retire from the
> navy with 22 years of service.
> 
> I could go into discussion of his several activities (none of which could
> be labeled "comedy"), but I'll leave it up to youto simply browse:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montel_Williams
> 
> Please explain, Roger!
> 
> Or are yuo going to ignore this request for accountability like you have
> so many times before?
> 
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, January 31, 2011 12:42 pm, lfalen wrote:
> > I think that you are a little off base here. Williams is the only comedian
> > in the list. You are just making excuses to justify your position.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> > Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:39:57 -0800
> > To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] How Many More Jared Loughners?
> > America'sMentalHealth Crisis
> >
> >> Again I didn't say that there weren't examples of inappropriate rhetoric
> >> from the left; I said that there are MORE examples from the right than
> >> the
> >> left. And the examples are from folks who work at Fox NEWS or who are
> >> candidates for public office, not comedians; they are examples of people
> >> trying to get folks to vote one way or the other, not people telling
> >> jokes.
> >>
> >> As for Obama, I already said that was WRONG. I don't have a problem with
> >> telling folks on the left that they are sometimes wrong. It doesn't
> >> excuse
> >> Palin. In fact, it means she's wrong too.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 10:47 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Bill Maher - " Why couldn't he have croaked fro it instead of Heath
> >> Ledger"
> >> > Ed Schultz- Lord take him to the Promised Land, Dick Cheney's heart is
> >> a
> >> > political football. We ought yo rip it out and kick it around and
> >> stuff it
> >> > back into him"
> >> > Charles Bouley- About Tony Snow "How could a cancer not grow in you?
> >> Work
> >> > for Fox News.. and how could your guts not rot?"
> >> > Montel Williams on Mechele Bachmanm "Slit your wrist. Go ahead.. Move
> >> that
> >> > knife up about two feet.O mean start at the collarbone".
> >> > Obama- It they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun"
> >> > Several commentators have said. Try Bush and Cheney for war crimes and
> >> hang
> >> > them"
> >> > There have been very few comments on the right that have reached this
> >> leave
> >> > of hate. I personally do no think Obama's statement should be taken
> >> > literally, as most of the statements on the right should not be. You
> >> my be
> >> > right about the level of notoriety of those on the left that make such
> >> > statements, with the exception of William, Maher and Obama. Most of
> >> these
> >> > statements by the left were explicit calls for the death of someone.
> >> > Everyone on both sides  uses military metaphors. These should not be
> >> taken
> >> > literally. While I would like to see a decrease in such language I do
> >> do
> >> > think that it can be blamed for the acts of someone like Loughner.
> >> Violent
> >> > Video games TV and Music that call for cops to be killed have much
> >> more of
> >> > an effect.
> >> > Roger
> >> > -----Original message-----
> >> > From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> >> > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 20:26:03 -0800
> >> > To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] How Many More Jared Loughners? America's
> >> > MentalHealth Crisis
> >> >
> >> > > Fine, Roger. First, it is worth noting that Michael O'Neal is very
> >> > > offensive. All of his articles are filled with anti-left bashing,
> >> > > distortions of the truth, and over-the-top rhetoric. As several
> >> Daily
> >> > News
> >> > > letters-to-the-editor have pointed out, his last column was guilty
> >> of
> >> > > exactly what he accused folks on the left of doing: exploiting a
> >> tragic
> >> > > situation for political gain.
> >> > >
> >> > > My point is that the right is worse than the left wrt the kinds of
> >> things
> >> > > Nick is talking about. I understand you disagree and that some on
> >> the
> >> > left
> >> > > like to say "we're all to blame" but that strikes me as bunk. Folks
> >> like
> >> > > Rush, Beck, Palin, and others are far worse in this respect --
> >> > > disrespectful, angry, hateful, distorted comments about their
> >> political
> >> > > opponents -- than any of the folks on the left. I'm not saying all
> >> the
> >> > blame
> >> > > goes to the right. This is a comparative claim.
> >> > >
> >> > > Again, you're free to prove me wrong by illustrating the kinds of
> >> > examples I
> >> > > note below. I doubt you can do it but I'm willing to listen. But
> >> there
> >> > > really is no comparison.
> >> > >
> >> > > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 6:16 PM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > I said nothing about any school. Nether did Nick for that matter.
> >> He
> >> > > > referred to Rush in particular. My comments were on the broad
> >> spectum
> >> > of the
> >> > > > left vs right as were Micheal O'Neal's.
> >> > > > Roger
> >> > > > -----Original message-----
> >> > > > From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> >> > > > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:54:56 -0800
> >> > > > To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> >> > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] How Many More Jared Loughners? America's
> >> > Mental
> >> > > > Health Crisis
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Every bit as violent? I'm sorry Roger but you're wrong. Name one
> >> > school
> >> > > > which has on the front page of it's website an example of the kind
> >> of
> >> > > > rhetoric that NSA has on it's website. Name one potential
> >> Democratic
> >> > > > candidate for president who had a poster like Palin's with
> >> crosshairs
> >> > > > designating Republican candidates. Name two liberal/progressive
> >> radio
> >> > talk
> >> > > > show hosts who regularly portray Republicans as Nazis (or whatever
> >> the
> >> > > > rightwing equivalent of Communists is).
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Be honest, Roger. Of course you can find examples on both sides
> >> but
> >> > they
> >> > > > are hardly equal in number or volume.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > On Jan 26, 2011, at 11:10 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > Nick
> >> > > > > > I agree with you that we should take care of the mentally ill
> >> and
> >> > the
> >> > > > disabled. I just wish  that you could find it in your heart to be
> >> a
> >> > little
> >> > > > more even handed in parcelling out blame. As the Michael O'Neal
> >> article
> >> > > >  points out, the rhetoric coming from the left is every bit as
> >> violent
> >> > if
> >> > > > not more so than that from the right. I personally think violent
> >> video
> >> > > > games, TV and rap music have more of an impact that that of
> >> > politicians. I
> >> > > > have seen research reports that say these things have no effect. I
> >> > think
> >> > > > something is wrong with their research. A constant bombardment of
> >> these
> >> > > > things can not help but deaden the senses. Particularly for the
> >> > mentally
> >> > > > unstable.
> >> > > > > > Roger
> >> > > > > > -----Original message-----
> >> > > > > > From: nickgier at roadrunner.com
> >> > > > > > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:21:38 -0800
> >> > > > > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> > > > > > Subject: [Vision2020] How Many More Jared Loughners? America's
> >> > Mental
> >> > > > Health Crisis
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >> Dear Visionaries:
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >> Below is my radio commentary/column for this week.  The full
> >> > version
> >> > > > is attached.
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >> Nick
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >> HOW MANY MORE JARED LOUGHNERS? AMERICA’S MENTAL HEALTH
> >> CRISIS
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >> Jared Loughner, the gunman who killed six and wounded 14 at a
> >> > Tucson
> >> > > > Safeway, has all the symptoms of someone who is mentally ill.
> >> Even
> >> > though
> >> > > > anti-government rhetoric was found in his writings, many people
> >> want us
> >> > to
> >> > > > believe that Loughner’s actions are exclusively those of a
> >> deranged
> >> > mind.
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >> In a heart-wrenching letter in the Daily News, a father wrote
> >> > about
> >> > > > his autistic son, who listens to Rush Limbaugh every day and sends
> >> > > > frightening e-mails to his father. He confesses that he “can
> >> easily see
> >> > how
> >> > > > Eric might decide to make himself instantly famous with the aid of
> >> a
> >> > gun.
> >> > > >  Violent rhetoric can indeed have violent consequences.
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >> Mental health professionals are reminding us that not all
> >> those
> >> > who
> >> > > > have a mental disorder are violent individuals.  In fact, the
> >> mentally
> >> > ill
> >> > > > are more often the targets of abuse not perpetrators.  It is
> >> estimated
> >> > that
> >> > > > only 40,000 of 4 million mentally ill Americans can be considered
> >> > violent> > >>
> >> > > > > >> Loughner should have been referred to a mental health clinic,
> >> but
> >> > he
> >> > > > most likely would not have received treatment.  In his own Pima
> >> County
> >> > 45
> >> > > > percent of those in mental health programs were disenrolled in
> >> 2009
> >> > because
> >> > > > of budget cuts.
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >> A 2007 study in the British medical journal The Lancet
> >> estimated
> >> > that
> >> > > > 67 percent of Americans with mental disorders do not receive any
> >> > treatment
> >> > > > (vol. 370: 878-89).  As with other social and health
> >> statistics—such a
> >> > teen
> >> > > > births and infant mortality—U.S. mental health care compares
> >> with Third
> >> > > > World countries.
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >> Fox News’ psychiatrist Keith Ablow states that “in most
> >> states,
> >> > the
> >> > > > mental health care delivery systems have been gutted by
> >> > disproportionate
> >> > > > cuts that leave them reeling, understaffed and unreliable.”
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >> Ablow also blames private health insurers “who routinely
> >> deny
> >> > > > comprehensive services (like hospitalization) to people, even if
> >> they
> >> > are
> >> > > > psychotic and drug addicted and even if they have expressed very
> >> > serious
> >> > > > thoughts of violence.” But Ablow and his friend Glenn Beck
> >> condemn the
> >> > > > civilized world’s socialized medicine that offers much better
> >> mental
> >> > health
> >> > > > coverage.
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >> Republicans now control the House and the most state
> >> legislatures
> >> > > > ever, and they will make sure that economic inequality increases
> >> and
> >> > funding
> >> > > > for social and health programs decreases.
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >> The GOP mantra of “No New Taxes” will prevent the
> >> implementation
> >> > of
> >> > > > the New Freedom Commission on Mental Health’s recommendations.
> >> Set up
> >> > in
> >> > > > 2002 by then President George W. Bush, the commissioners bemoaned
> >> the
> >> > > > collapse of the nation’s mental health services and proposed
> >> increased
> >> > > > federal funding in this area.
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >> The advocacy group America Mental Health makes a strong pitch
> >> to
> >> > the
> >> > > > nation’s business leaders by reminding them that “untreated
> >> and
> >> > mistreated
> >> > > > mental illness costs the United States $150 billion in lost
> >> > productivity
> >> > > > each year, and U.S. businesses foot up to $44 billion of this
> >> bill.
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >> American Mental Health proposes that “many
> >> considerations—ranging
> >> > from
> >> > > > social justice to economic self-interest—make it imperative that
> >> the
> >> > federal
> >> > > > government assume a major, focused, coordinated role in mental
> >> health
> >> > > > policy, a role both different and larger than it currently
> >> plays.”
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >> In his state of the state address Idaho Governor “Butch”
> >> Otter
> >> > > > encouraged families to gather around the kitchen table to solve
> >> their
> >> > > > problems rather than relying on “soul-crushing” state and
> >> federal
> >> > programs
> >> > > > to help them.
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >> Even the strongest families are helpless in the face of the
> >> > challenges
> >> > > > posed by the Jared Loughners of the nation. Even the wisest
> >> fathers and
> >> > > > mothers on limited Idaho budgets must admit that government
> >> subsidized
> >> > > > mental health is the only way their troubled children are going to
> >> get
> >> > the
> >> > > > help they need.
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >> Gov. Otter is not calling for cuts in Health and Welfare in
> >> his
> >> > FY12
> >> > > > budget, but the department has suffered a 21 percent reduction
> >> over the
> >> > past
> >> > > > three years.  In mental health alone 49 positions have been
> >> eliminated
> >> > in
> >> > > > the adult and youth divisions.  In 2009 a Pocatello man, who had
> >> been
> >> > > > removed from a mental health program, shot and wounded a man near
> >> his
> >> > home.
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >> When I travel to India it is depressing to see so many
> >> beggars on
> >> > the
> >> > > > streets and so many people that are obviously mentally ill.  The
> >> US
> >> > > > Conference of Mayors estimates that 40 percent of America’s 1.6
> >> million
> >> > > > homeless people are mentally ill.  This is a national disgrace and
> >> an
> >> > > > international embarrassment.
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >> No amount of Otter “table talk” is going to solve these
> >> basic
> >> > social
> >> > > > and psychological problems. Far too many souls have already been
> >> > crushed and
> >> > > > fallen through the huge holes in America’s social safety net.
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >> Nick Gier taught philosophy at the University of Idaho for 31
> >> > years.
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >
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> and the Realist adjusts his sails."
> 
> - Unknown
> 
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