[Vision2020] For what it's worth ....... Fw: On Ron Paul andRacism

Sat Dec 31 14:20:28 PST 2011

I hope that this was comment was made in sarcastic jest... some folks on
here I consider "class IV crazy", so I can't really tell.

If this was a serious statement.... I may have to re-think my benchmarks
for my classifications.

Jay

From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Price
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 12:24 PM
To: Saundra Lund
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] For what it's worth ....... Fw: On Ron Paul
andRacism

Question:

Then why even have states?  If we did away with that layer of
government, look at all the tax money it would save. Just let the
National Government  run government and that way everybody, no matter
where they live in the US would be playing under the SAME set of rules. 

Wayne

On Dec 31, 2011, at 12:03 PM, Saundra Lund wrote:

In part, Paul wrote:

"Racism, like abortion and gay marriage, are all "theatrical issues".
They are issues that are tossed out to the American public like scraps
to hungry dogs for them to fight over.  While they are important in and
of themselves, they are really meant to distract us from realizing that
we have more power than we think we do."

Yes, I do suppose it's a lot easier to look at issues like racism,
abortion, and gay marriage as "theatrical issues" when you're not the
minority family unable to rent a home due to racism, and you're not the
17-year-old incest victim forced to carry your granddaddy's baby or risk
death from a backdoor abortion, and you're not the lesbian at risk of
losing custody of your children born via IVF to your now-deceased 15
year partner because her family never "approved" of the non-marriage.

Yuppers - I guess for some, it is a lot easier to take the position that
those issues, while "important," really are just "theatrical issues"
when one isn't the target, when one lacks of empathy . . . or when one
lacks the sense God gave a billy goat.

Not in my America.  I agree with Sue's comment, "All rights and even
some privileges should belong to all citizens" and shouldn't depend on
where in the US one lives.

Paul also wrote:

"In my opinion we should concentrate on our civil liberties . . ."

I guess I'm unclear as to how you define "civil liberties," but
reproductive freedom & gay marriage both fit into my definition of the
right of privacy, which is an important US civil liberty.

Saundra Lund

Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to
do nothing.

~ Edmund Burke

From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rumelhart
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 9:37 AM
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and Racism

I sent this only to Sue, when I meant to send it to the list.

Paul

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
To: Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com> 
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] On Ron Paul and Racism

It doesn't negate the evidence.  For what it's worth, he claims that he
didn't write those newsletters that were put out in his name.  Like
you've shown, a person can be compassionate and still be racist.  Being
racist is not a black and white thing, no pun intended.  It's something
that can change over a period of years.  I grew up in a casually racist
household, and had to unlearn much of that over the years, as did my
parents.  It's easy to fall into that trap when you grow up with it and
everyone around you thinks the same thing.  As society changed, so did
those around me, and so did I.

I've said this many times on the Viz:  I'm not looking for Jesus Christ
or Gandhi when I'm looking for a Presidential candidate to vote for.  I
want someone who will perform well in the job.

So the question is, assuming he is some kind of die-hard racist from the
sixties like he's being portrayed, is he going to deny blacks the right
to vote or serve on juries?

Racism, like abortion and gay marriage, are all "theatrical issues".
They are issues that are tossed out to the American public like scraps
to hungry dogs for them to fight over.  While they are important in and
of themselves, they are really meant to distract us from realizing that
we have more power than we think we do.  In my opinion we should
concentrate on our civil liberties, and in stopping the steady power
buildup for the Executive branch that's been going on for years.  That's
far more dangerous to us in the short term than any of these hot button
issues are.  Like Sunil said in another post, it's all about priorities.

Paul

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From: Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com>
To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> 
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] On Ron Paul and Racism

It's a lovely story, Paul. And a powerful instance of Ron Paul's
compassion, but how does it negate the evidence of his racism in those
published reports?  My Texas grandfather was a racist through and
through, yet he performed kind and generous acts to the people he
belittled, and to whom he would have denied the vote, the right to serve
on juries (along with women) and most especially the right to sit up
front in public transportation. 

Sue H.      

From: Paul Rumelhart <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com> 

Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 10:18 PM

To: vision2020 at moscow.com

Subject: [Vision2020] On Ron Paul and Racism

Here is a video in response to allegations of racism being leveled at
Ron Paul.  It was made by "Revolution PAC", a "superPAC" whose sole
purpose is to get Ron Paul elected. It's entitled "The Compassion of Dr.
Ron Paul":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rv0Z5SNrF4

If we're going to attack Ron Paul with allegations of racism on the
list, I thought it might be nice to see what his side has to say.

Paul

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